White House: SC, Others Cannot Secede
A petition with nearly 30,000 signatures to allow the Palmetto State to withdraw from the United States has been denied.
ST. ANDREWS, SC -- There will not be a second or peaceful secession from the Union.
A petition before the White House to allow South Carolina to peacefully secede from the United States was denied Friday by the White House.
Nearly 30,000 people had signed the petition, and similar petitions in eight other states, including Georgia, North Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, Louisiana, Florida and Texas. Also denied was a petition to deport everyone who had signed a similar petition.
In the White House's response to all 10 petitions, and titled "Our States Remain United," spokesman Jon Carson wrote:
Thank you for using the White House's online petitions platform to participate in your government.
In a nation of 300 million people -- each with their own set of deeply-held beliefs -- democracy can be noisy and controversial. And that's a good thing. Free and open debate is what makes this country work, and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted.
But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don't let that debate tear us apart.
Our founding fathers established the Constitution of the United States "in order to form a more perfect union" through the hard and frustrating but necessary work of self-government. They enshrined in that document the right to change our national government through the power of the ballot -- a right that generations of Americans have fought to secure for all. But they did not provide a right to walk away from it. As President Abraham Lincoln explained in his first inaugural address in 1861, "in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution the Union of these States is perpetual." In the years that followed, more than 600,000 Americans died in a long and bloody civil war that vindicated the principle that the Constitution establishes a permanent union between the States. And shortly after the Civil War ended, the Supreme Court confirmed that "[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States."
Although the founders established a perpetual union, they also provided for a government that is, as President Lincoln would later describe it, "of the people, by the people, and for the people" -- all of the people. Participation in, and engagement with, government is the cornerstone of our democracy. And because every American who wants to participate deserves a government that is accessible and responsive, the Obama Administration has created a host of new tools and channels to connect concerned citizens with White House. In fact, one of the most exciting aspects of the We the People platform is a chance to engage directly with our most outspoken critics.
So let's be clear: No one disputes that our country faces big challenges, and the recent election followed a vigorous debate about how they should be addressed. As President Obama said the night he won re-election, "We may have battled fiercely, but it's only because we love this country deeply and we care so strongly about its future."
Whether it's figuring out how to strengthen our economy, reduce our deficit in a responsible way, or protect our country, we will need to work together -- and hear from one another -- in order to find the best way to move forward. I hope you'll take a few minutes to learn more about the President's ideasand share more of your own.
Frank Zoccola
5:49 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Why is it that people of south carolina continue to act like buffoons
Ambassador
7:14 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Do you really need an answer to your stupid question? This federal government (not this country) is an asylum run by its diletante inmates and does not deserve anyone's respect or allegiance.
JamesandSonja Freshour
3:22 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Isn't that the truth.
Kevin Baker
3:45 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
I think they all should go when Texas is taken over by the Zetas, because all the bases would be gone with no protection except Rick Perry s rubber helmet then they will be back with tail between legs
jay cross
3:49 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
They voted them self's in the union they can vote them self's out.
Elwood Caudill
4:30 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
The People of South Carolina realize what a "sinking Ship" the USA is becoming and see the importance of abandoning the Union. We Southern and Western States see it also. When the military is "Gutted" by Obama and his henchmen, we'll do it then.
reg
4:49 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Yeah, Elwood, like, you, dude, are so, like, co-rrect! Our military budget is just being, you know, *slashed!* Uh huh. Suh---LASHED, bro. "Gutted!" like you sez, man. ...........http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/28/defense-spending-in-the-u-s-in-four-charts/
louisville tarheel
6:27 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Didn't they try this 150 years ago. Let them. It will decrease the welfare costs for the rest of us!
Taxpayer who's tired of paying everyone else's bills
6:45 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
All 50 states filed a petition to secede. They pointed out SC because they seceeded the first time. it's just a slow news day.
reg
6:51 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
They pointed out SC in this article because this is a SC news site. And it wasn't "50 states filed a petition" -- it was a few attention-starved folks who live off the internet, and who "filed" these on the White House site on their days off from school.
Ronni Cooney
8:30 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
How about all the states stick together and leave out Washington DC.?
reg
10:53 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Now, now, nyer -- you're about to lose an ally with that trash talk about we sudderners. Remember, the article here only points out what a few oddballs nationwide did after a bong bash. It does not reflect on SC (or me) individually. Yes, some from SC attempted to do the same on the same White House, but many from SC also signed the makeshift petition to deport those rebound rebels.
We ain't all like that (just like all from north the Mason Dixon don't call us nasty names).
Your sincere apology will be welcomed
Allen Burnett
12:45 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Why is it everyone named Frank is such a drooler? You really think using one brush to paint the millions of SC citizens in with the tiny percentage who signed this petition is adult?
Barry A Clarke`
12:56 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Hmmm, our 535 lustrously voted members of the United States Congress submit, vote on, and pass hundreds of new laws each year. Now lets look at their record; 36 have been accused of spousal abuse, 7 have been arrested for fraud, 19 have been accused of writing bad checks, 117 have, directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses, 3 have done time for assault, 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit, 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges, 8 have been arrested for shoplifting, 21currently are defendants in lawsuits, and 84 have been arrested for drunk driving. Now, lets look at a business that has been around since the beginning of man that the Government seized. It was the Mustang Ranch Brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and as required by law, they tried to run the business and make a profit. It eventual failed and closed. Now the government wants us to entrust to them the economy of our country, banking system, auto industry, the failing social security, health care plans, gun laws, and worse yet, redesigning or changing 2nd Amendment to keep us safe? If they couldn’t make money running a whore house while selling whisky, and they can’t follow the laws of our nation they voted upon, why do we keep them in office? It can’t be a matter of trust, or could it? (sarcasm)………
reg
1:05 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Well, Barry - I'll hardly be one to defend congress, but---- you're using total numbers from over 100 congressional sessions as reported by a questionable source. That's made very clear by your mention of the Mustang Ranch, which was a wild rumor from early 2008, and which was laughed at from that point on. http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/mustang_ranch.htm BTW? There's nothing going against the 2nd amendment, either.
steven Jacobs
7:26 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
30,000 out of a pop of about 10,000,000 is not a high percentage
Ronald Reagan
8:54 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The people of South Carolina are the smart ones. It's obvious Obama is sinking this nation and they want off before it's too late. The "Buffoons" are the ones that voted for the clown that sits in the White House.
Deadmanwalkingby
12:25 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Because the rest of you have shown your ignorance in re-electing the Great Imposter simply because you are looking for a handout.
uncommonsensesc
1:16 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
South Carolina, along with the other petitioners, is the voice of reason in this insane aylum we call America! If the rest of you idiots want to be governed by the head nut in this nuthouse, then go ahead and be led stupidly down the path of destruction but we do not have to be led blindly into our downfall!
Scott Paul Thrasher
1:31 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Son, They were not the ONLY state that wanted this. They are sick of OBAMA and him acting more like a DiCTATOR then President. They are tired of his Liberal Agenda so the Liberal Rich that all he hangs out with can go around feeling all warm and cuddly about each other and how good they have been to those that don't want them in thier business.
Mary Ann
2:39 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
We should let them go. They just dumb down the IQ of the rest of the country.
HANK
3:14 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
I did, but then it said I had to register.... so I did, but when I returned, my long comment I had typed had disappeared, and I did not feel like typing it again.
Better debug your software........
Cleaf Uban
3:52 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Because Jefferson Davis is still President in the State of mind for a lot of people in America.
mike amrrero
5:04 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
BUFFOONS?????---have you looked at what we have in the white house as leaders???Those are Buffoons.Look at what they are trying to do..Perhaps you need to read your book of brai cause you are blind!!
maizenbluedoc
7:07 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Maybe some of the people of South Carolina are attempting to mimic the government officials in DC. The real buffoons are in Washington masquerading as representatives of the people. Also, maybe Obama should adhere to the provisions of the U.S. Constitution he conveniently quotes to serve his whims.
Jerry Wondergem
7:14 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
1 Corinthians 15:33-34; Genesis 6:5-6; Matthew 12:25; Jude 5-19; 2 Timothy 3:1-9 and verse 13; 1 Peter 3: 8-12; Revelation 13; Revelation 14:9-11; John 8:42-45
harry
7:54 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
yankee by birth, southern by choice....the states formed the fed gov, not the fed gove fomed the states... any person or group who joined anything also has the right to leave it. big brother is killing our country and the future of our children and grandchildren.... in my case, also great grandchildren. fed or u.n--get us the hell out.
Harry Johnson
4:05 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
You were asleep during history class. That worked out pretty poorly the last time it was tried. Before they were done states were trying to secede form the confederacy and cities, like Nwe York talking about setting up on their own. It does not work at all that way.
Rose Young-Stewart
7:43 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
bye theres the door. you're another loser who claimed he was going to move out of the country if Obama won. Well, How come you're still hangimg around?
Ann Rendahl
9:28 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Don't like it here. Up date your passport, buy a ticket and get the heck out of here. The grass is always greener next door. Try the next country. Getting pretty fed up with whinny people. You get what you vote for. Turn off the radio and stop listening to those conspirators who make up stories and lies just to fill their air time. Most of them are darn out crazy! Listen to them enough and you become just like them. They are so depressing, how could you be happy after listening to them. Have a Good Day and Happy Trails. Good Luck in your new Country.........
Ambassador
10:57 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
I like it fine here rendahl.,What I do not like are ignorant stupid people who cannot see what is coming and are content to let it happen. Kindly trip over your own Happy Trails and maybe you will get some sense in your head.
Roger Farnham
3:01 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
No I didn't "get what I voted for". I cerainly didn't vote for a liar for President, a man who ignores the Consitiution and passes Executive Orders on anything he wants, who taxes and spends without regard to the welfare of the country that so stupidly re-elected him. I most assuredly did not vote for amnesty for illegals, higher taxes, gun control, a tyrannical healthcare bill or any of the other things that Obama and Congress are doing. If enough states could secede we might be able to reform as a United States that was again Of, By and For the people. Not for the government.
reg
3:27 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Um, Reagan hasn't been president in quite a long time, Roger. That's the president who gave amnesty to illegal aliens, who rose taxes on an overwhelming majority of the population, and who supported gun control (although on and off again).
as for Obama, there's been no amnesty to illegal aliens --- in fact, we've had consecutive record setting years for deportation of illegal aliens since he took office. We've had temporary tax cuts (which could be even more for the middle class, were it not for House GOP tying it up because they didn't want folks who make over $400,000 to have to pay more than their already lowest-on-the-planet taxes).
And in the healthcare act that you call "tyrannical," a Democratic senator added a clause that protects legal gun owners more than before. And can you name for me any restriction Obama has brought on guns? THERE ISN'T A SINGLE ONE.
As for healthcare act being "tyrannical," -- it was tyrannical *without it*. When hospitals and doctors didn't collect from uninsured patients, they've been legally allowed to add their charges on to our (insured) medical bills - same way that when you buy a gallon of milk from the store, you're also paying for the chewing gum some kid stole from the checkout line earlier that day. Those fees were then tagged onto our insurance (about $720 of your annual insurance premium must go to pay other people's medical bills).
I think you need to get your facts straight, bud.
Kitzer
9:41 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Roger - Roger - Roger ---- When all you idiots leave, YOU will NOT be part of the UNITED STATES any more!!! All you low IQ pos will have to get together and decide on a new name!!! Good luck with that!!
Jerry Wondergem
5:33 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
So Ann, you probably think the Holy Bible is just a conspiracy theory also; don't you? "Wake up from your slumber".
Jerry Wondergem
5:47 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
I too did not vote for the anti-christ Obama. Did not vote for him either time. No whining hear girl; just a hurting and bleeding heart for those such as yourself who are controlled by the powerful elite minion of satan. I pray that God will open your deaf ears and blind eyes so that you too may see the truth and be freed from the illusions of truth(lies) that you have been manipulated and mind controlled through. May God have mercy on your soul, for "God desires that all should come to repentance and receive Jesus so that none should perish, but have eternal life". I fear NO MAN, for all man can do is destroy the body; only GOD has the power to save you or throw you into the bottomless pit where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth for all eternity. Once your body dies, you will not have anymore chances to receive God's free gift of eternal life through Christ Jesus. Jesus said: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me". I pray for you for your souls sake.
Jerry Wondergem
5:48 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
P.S. Ann: You probably think Muslims are a peaceful peoples also, don't you?
Jill Fonaas
10:22 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Bravo Ann. What a bunch of bad sports and cry babies. READ FACTS, TURN OFF FOX! Thank heaven that President Obama is still here for us, although I don't know why he wants to be. So many of the losers are so disrespectful and ignorant..if they spouted facts it would be one thing..but they do not wish to know the truth....the follow Rupert Murdochs lie factory only. ( Oh, and try and hide behind their warped interpretation of the bible....so very sad.
Jerry Wondergem
6:39 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Hey Jill. You may want to read Anns words again. She is not for Obama like you are and P.S.: You don't know the one and only True God do you? The one who created you and everything. I hope you too wake up and receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior so that you may have eternal life. My heart as does Gods aches for you and all like you. :-(
stanley seigler
12:02 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
re: A petition before the White House to allow South Carolina to peacefully secede from the United States was denied Friday by the White House
a big mistake, WH...let SC secede. there are many advantages to our country...eg, a credit for the fed budget, SC gets more from the fed than it pays in fed taxes...of course the fed would have to deny SC any foreign aid.
would be interesting to hear what the SC secessionists see as advantages to SC...no BO-care maybe...spending time in ER would give them sumthin to do while planning an attack on ft sumter...
hate it when i let myself get involved in these stupid ideas...but it's fun...so i thank the secessionists for the humorous bs...
stanley seigler
12:05 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
PS
would have been more fun if the WH had approved secession...just what would SC have done...the WH needs a better sense of humor.
judy malone
1:32 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
I notice Mississippi is missing from the list. Smarter people there who appreciate the fact that they do benefit from taxes paid by wealthier states. I too wonder what SC would have done had the secession been permitted. King Nikki? At least I could go back to my little farm in NC. Oops, no, NC wants to secede too. Where else is it warm? New Mexico here I come!!
Taxpayer who's tired of paying everyone else's bills
6:47 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
All 50 statest filed a petition. In fact several other states had significantly more people sign the petition. They named SC in this article because they were the first to secede the last time. Just a slow news day.
Jerry Wondergem
5:55 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
you Stanley obviously are not able to see nor hear the truth neither. Satan has blinded you with his lies through the Obama administration. Sad state of affairs indeed. My heart cries for you. "Jesus wept".
Timothy Buttons
12:46 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Texas, alone, when becoming a state, retained the right to secede. Texas, because of that right, maintains its own embassy in London.
reg
12:57 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Ha! Texas *had* an embassy in London before it was a US state (had one in Paris, too). Today, there's a Tex-Mex restaurant called "Texas Embassy*, but that's it Timothy. Button it up, dude --
bvklaw
3:09 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Texas also has the right to fly its state flag at the same height as the U.S. flag because it was a sovereign country (Republic of Texas), not a colony or territory, when it joined the Union. As for Texas seceding -- Hmmmm . . .
Joyce Keith
1:41 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
I wholeheartedly support the efforts of these states (which I love even though born in Illinois) and feel they have much more cause for this movement now then in the 1860's. I would gladly move to any of the new formed countries if they ever succeed.
stanley seigler
1:53 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
do you have any concept of how these state wouild operate...the results would be worst than sherman's march through GA...
the only state that could do better if it seceded is CA...the 8-9th largest economy in the world...
and even in lalaland there no one, no one, idumb enough to suggest secession...howerver there are CA dumb-A-es who want to divide CA into north and south CA.
Deadmanwalkingby
4:08 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Stanley, California, really .......... what a joke...........they also have the largest debt by far of any state. Open your eyes airhead
Angelo Scalzo
3:12 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
With all the comments in here mostly against SC just why won't the WH let them secede?? Let see what would really happen as you all say.Imagine if the wound up better off??? Why not let them try??? I am not for or against just would like to see what will happen if the WH says OK.
stanley seigler
3:21 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
it would be fun in a most, very, sad way...the results would be devastating...the first thing SC would have to is raise taxes to make up for lost fed revenue...or maybe they could get foreign aid from US...
it's really not possible...and certainly not practical...a dumb, dumb-A, idea
Taxpayer who's tired of paying everyone else's bills
6:48 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
The WH won't let them secede because contrary to popular myth there are too many working people in SC who are paying taxes for the losers on the two coasts.
reg
10:48 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Actually, Ann Marie -- South Carolina is receives MUCH MORE in federal funds per person than the per person taxes it pays. If you regard that to be a myth, please provide a defending source.
And just so you know, SC *is* one of the two coasts, as well.
Ben Therinbach
6:03 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
I'll tell you what would happen. South Carolina would be followed by OTHER states, but this time it would be most of the West and the South. The United States could not exist without the sacrifices of the great soldiers that herald from the West and South. If the Yankee states think the South is so expendable, then let 'em go to war without the BEST pilots, airmen, and soldiers, who hail from the South and West. And the next time you hear a Southern accent coming from the pilot of that fighter bomber, who just took out a cadre of terrorists holed up in an impregnable bomb headquarters, fall on your knees and than God for the Southern patriot!!
JamesandSonja Freshour
3:25 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Well folk's. I see that South Carolina has still not left the stone age. I have lived all over this nation and the south still cannot seem to stop dragging their knuckles.
stanley seigler
3:56 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
the GOP wing nuts are not unique to the South...and racism is alive and well in many parts of the country...the idiots who suggest secession are an insignificant part of the south's population...
norquist, rush, coulter, fox news idiots, are not southerners (could be wrong)
carpetbagger/yankees, having lived all over, should careful of cover all, general, statements...
BTW slick willie and LBJ were southerns...they dragged no knuckles.
BTWbtw some of my best friends are yankee carpetbaggers...weel some modification needed; yankee carpetbagger DEMs.
Ben Therinbach
6:23 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Gee, James and Sonja. Are you having trouble finding a home where arrogance and idiocy are acceptable virtues??
reg
3:38 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
The petition to secede SC didn't make the minimum to get consideration; https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/state-south-carolina-secede-union-and-form-its-own-government-sovereign-state/LFzSJVkP This response referred to in this articel was to another petition that didn't specify SC.
There was another petition of relevance that *did* get the minimum number of votes -- to deport all these unAmerican fools who signed the petition to secede. The White House refused that one, too, unfortunately - https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL
Chris Winston
12:07 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Reg, there were TWO SC petitions. The one referred to here in this story DID get the 25000 needed: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-sc-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/KL6qrls8
reg
12:39 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
12:33 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Thanks, Chris -- when I tried to check it earlier, it didn't produce. Of course, we have no confirmation that those who signed this petition are all SC residents (not a qualifying factor to sign it). And I still feel comforted by the fact that the petition to DEPORT those secession petition signers outnumbered those freakish fools by more than 10 percent in signatures!
Russ
4:18 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Obama wouldn't let any of these states secede for the same reason Lincoln wouldn't let the Confedracy go peacefully. When asked why he just wouldn't let the South go their own way, his reply was Ï can't let the South go. Who would pay for the government"
JG
4:57 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
You're joking right?!?! The government would be better off financially since South Carolina (along with many southern states) receive more in federal dollars that what they pay in taxes.
Shawn Drury
4:38 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Russ,
You know that with the exception of GA, AR and TX the southern states take more federal dollars than they give, right?.
The idea that southern states "pay for the government" as you suggest, is simply false.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union
Diogenes
4:44 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
We really should let states secede where a majority of their people vote in favor of it. These states are already drag on the federal budget forthe rest of the country, taking in more than they receive and adding to the deficit. Of course, they woul have to set up their own military, but that should not be a problem with all of the gun fetishists these states contain. Of course they would lose all federal installations, and have to pay the US back to acquire the property, etc. Federal installations would close, and the jobs would come back to the real US. They are like a dog chasing a car. What would would the dog do if it actually caught the car?
G W Bush Lover
5:10 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
If the states dont want to be part of US should deport the form the US all together, Nobody had nothing to say when bush sent the troops over to Iraq for weapons of mass of destruction, and that was a big joke, and didnt find nothing and then yall voted him back in office for another term, why all the jobs all going overseas, and gas was going through the roof. But the good ole boy bush was your favorite man. and all those troops he gotten killed.But he was the best president for the folks in the south, why didnt the try to pull from the US when he was in office
John Denson
5:10 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Let them go !!! Getting rid if these Neanderthals is the only way this country can make any progress.
Taxpayer who's tired of paying everyone else's bills
6:50 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Spoken like a typical idiot. SC has more jobs than most other states because unlike the northeast and iron belt, they have a right to work. BTW, contrary to the title of this article all 50 states filed a petition and most of them had more votes than SC. This article chose SC because they seceded the first time.
reg
10:46 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Actually, Ann Marie, SC has one of the highest unemployment rates in the country, and at one time not too long ago we were highest -- the first to go over 10%, in fact. (Now we're at 8.3 -- 12th highest.) http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
And this article chose SC not because this state seceded the first time, but because its from SC media.
John Denson
5:15 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
These secessionists are a vocal minority ... the lunatic fringe. Good, reasonable Americans don't subscribe to this at all .. and THEY are the MAJORITY. Also, isn't is interesting ... and telling ... that most of the posters, here, who are in favor of secession are poorly educated, semi-literate people who can't properly use the their own, native language. That says a lot about how intelligent they are (not).
LW House
7:16 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
I would like to see what posts you are seeing. Because I found more errors in posts made by Reg then any others. Starting with his reply to Elwood in a very condesending, mocking way that made himself sound more illiterate then any other post in this disscussion be eaither side. And to make his point, he gives a link that says "Page not found". I suppose this to mean that his point "cannot be found" How about everyone quit condesending and making general statments and play nice. Not everyone in the south are as you put it, 'Neanderthals' and not everyone in the north are assholes.
reg
7:51 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
The link wasn't working because the site program errantly included the "...." beforehand: Here's the link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/28/defense-spending-in-the-u-s-in-four-charts/
And sorry to hurt your sensitive feelings, LW, but *I respond in kind.* Make a silly comment, I can give a silly reply.
Mark Newman
5:17 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Pull every military base out of the state and cut off all federal monies from everyhting from education, to building new highways.
Ben Therinbach
6:11 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Does this mean all job seeking Yankees would go home to the state they ruined with labor unions and poor legislative judgements??! If so, sounds like a great idea!
nyer
6:03 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
What is real shocking about this story is they got these people from these hell hole states to stay off jerry springer long enough to sign such a petiton. Just sad they didn't let them go. DARN IT !!!
Robert Kelly
7:48 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Wow, this is actually a non-story since NOBODY believed SC would, or could, secede. And the online petition was only signed by a small percentage of the residents of the state, a lunatic fringe so to speak. Signing some else's petition is not really a movement, Grover Norquist being the exception.
Yet, it has attracted 46 comments in a little over 12 hours. Some of these comments indicate the writers are actually serious about the topic! Some seriously disdainful, some seriously angry, some simply serious. But it still is not going to happen, and no one ever thought it would either.
anthony calisi
9:02 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Ok it's agreed that no state has the absolute "right" to secede from the union. How about a nice revolution so that us sheeple take back our government from the porfessioal politicians that serve there own welfare at the expense of our soverign nation??
JJ
9:03 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Why do people keep saying SC wants to do this and do that? I live in SC and do not and never had supported seperation fom the United States of America. The last I checked we had far more residents of SC who did NOT sign this petition. The above headline could and should have read that the majority of SC does not want to secede from the USA. It just does not seem right that people believe such a small minority is speaking for an entire state.
uhjgrouggvruo
9:03 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
like we need permission from the f;ng white house muslim! He can go to hell!
Jade
11:53 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Yes oh brave one who hides behind a fake name....you DO need permission. : )
Hannibal
9:52 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
South Carolina was 1st to vote to join the Confederacy, and 1st to vote to secede from the Union. Surprise, surprise. A hand full of spoiled kids sign a petition because they aren't getting their way, and it' news. Let Texas secede....and when the Mexican druglords are making Texas their bitch, don't run to Uncle Sam. The advent of social media and blogs has really put a spotlight on a number of unwell people amidst decent folks. The people who are signing petitions to secede would wet themselves if they awaken tomorrow with the strength, wisdom, and greatness of these United States backing their moves. Really. SC leaving these United States is not going to happen but the politicians in SC need stop fanning this kind of lunacy. And the hate speech on this blog is so 1960's. Hello, its 21st century. Hate is a poor commodity to trade in these days, and God really doesn't like ugly!
ReadIt
10:00 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
You know that list of "crazy people" not to sell guns to everyone seems to want instead of gun control?
I found the first 30,000
E. A. Leverence
10:22 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Please stop putting down SC; my Aunt lives there and I have been there. As for their wiseh to leave the Union, they just don't realize that they would then be alone.
pjnestor
10:25 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
The United States is going down the booby hatch, so if a State wants to save itself from that fate, they ought to have a right to decide that for themselves. We have no more freedoms left, only the crumbs of what was once a great and powerful nation. Big Brother has their foot on all our necks now, get used to it comrades!
Lawrence
11:01 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
As someone once famously said during the first bout of secessionitis: 'South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum'. I think that statement sums it up as nicely now as it did in 1860. It was lunacy that led to unspeakable tragedy across the board for the country, for nearly every family, for immigrants hoping for a new life in a new land and harsh, barren and wasted land. Not to mention the legacy of the KKK that grew out of it, 100 years of Jim Crow and the still sensitive memories it's unspeakable horrors still hold for our country. United we stand, Divided we fall. Don't repeat faulty history in the name of overflamed passions as our ancestors did in the grip of madness.
Shawn Drury
11:06 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Numerous comments in this thread have been removed due to violation of Patch's terms of use. Clean it up, people.
horace henry
11:46 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Hey, I've traveled around a bit and really have not seen any other country that I would want to live in other than the U.S. It seems to me that our enemies (especially those foreign countries that don't like us) are looking at us and how we are acting up, hoping, and praying for something that just will not happen. What is that, you might ask? Well, our enimies cannot defeat us, so their hope is this: Let the American destroy themselves from within. In fact, I would not be surprised if, by investigation, it was found out that people who look like us, act like us, and walk amongst us and participate in our anti government rallies, yell anti-Obama slogans, and constantly talk "down" America are NOT Americans. Some of these pockets of people are placed here to infiltrate our ranks to try to do what, you might ask again? To try to defeat America from within. Remember this: All who agree with you and your anti-American causes, may not be WITH you at all. They are acting under another agenda. Be vigilant.
reg
12:37 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
I agree, Horace. There are many hoping for a new Fall of Rome, and who are hoping to help it fall, too. Those are the ones who are trying to knock our country back a few centuries to the plutocratic serfdom their ancestors knew so long ago (and which our ancestors came here to escape). Add in their Marxian Economics principles, and it stands evident that the GOP and its followers are anything but American.
Jade
11:49 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
What we have in those signatures on the petitions (and I'm sure the White House concurs) are people with ZERO knowledge of economics, governing, military protection, etc (and that's just being very general) who fly off the handle making impulsive and irrational decisions simply because they are mad that their presidential candidate lost. Do you all realize how many are laughing hysterically at the mere idea?
John Denson
12:10 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The State of South Carolina has a population of almost 5 million. 30,000 residents sign a petition and this is big news ?
reg
12:35 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Nope, John, it sure ain't. It's just big comment-page opportunity!
nyer
2:06 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Ok, I'v had my fun, now lets get real. Any educated american can tell you President Obama has not been in Office long enough to do any evil (not that he has) deeds to this country that we would notice any time soon, in fact we won't see all the good that he really has done for this country for years to come, this man will be long gone from the white house before all the ignorant people benefit from his hardwork and then still not be willing to credit him and put it on some moron like o'l stupid himself (bush). I only wish Obama was the kind of person that would allow some backwards state like texas to go it alone, man would that be funny. They would be over taken by the most currupt country in the world....mexico. Within days. Then the mexican drug cartels would turn the cities into war zones, just like they have done in mexico. Only if.......
Bob
3:22 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
President Obama is committed to Bill Clinton's world order by opening up the borders and forcing honest Americans to support the freeloaders who have every excuse not to work but want all the benefits the average American gets by working for those benefits. The petitions are nothing more than a weathervane showing where this country is going and that when the federal government turns around they are going to find an angry mob of U.S. citizens waiting to revolt. Why do you think Obama has to restrict or eliminate Americans right to weapons and self defense. It won't be the Military services that will attack us but the civilian federal people he is arming now under the Patriot Act signed by Bush. Bush was dumb enought to sign teh Patriot Act for all the wrong reasons and obama is going to abuse it under Eric holder. If you are stupid enough to believe Obama you deserve the concentration camp that might be in your future or the loss of your family. But by then it will be too late won't it.
nyer
6:17 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Hey Bob, Would you and these other morons just get over it already. Obama is back and there is NOTHING YOU CAN SAY OR DO ABOUT IT!! you idiots just can't face it, your man did not win the election, deal with it. Bush crippled this country and Obama was left one hell of mess. Bush will go down in history as the worst president we ever had. You need to move on, go get a hobby or something just please SHUT UP ALREADY. If you only knew how stupid you sound with all the stupid statements you idiots keep spilling. There will be no revolt, concentration camps, blah,blah, blah. Your just a moron with to much time on your hands. But please shut up already.
ray
4:30 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Let's face it. We really don't need those states, anyway. Way do they bring to the table? With the possible exception of Texas, they're all bible belt welfare states. Maybe we can just sell them to china and call out debt even. Let's see how these red necks like living under the Reds.
Ben Therinbach
6:15 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
You do that, Ray, and watch your military sink to the role of a third world country. Or, perhaps you will scream to the South within 48 hours for military assistance. Hmmmm?
gjc
6:40 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The states that have petitioned to leave the union have the least amount of money and resources and many would also say, common sense and brains. Personally, i think that any state that wants to leave the union, should. See how long they will last without money and resources to take care of even the basic needs of its citizens. I always knew that their were MANY ignorant people in the USA but I didn't realize how many until Mr. Obama became president. All the hate and stupidity just bubbled to the top like a volcano.
Jerry Wondergem
8:11 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
By Kevin Fobbs
Clash Daily Guest Contributor
There is a sickening aroma in the air that is beginning to permeate the very soul of independent, freedom embracing Americans. It began to originate long before the shooting at Aurora, Colorado, or recently in Newtown, Connecticut. Its rancid fragrance seeps into the fabric of the U.S. Constitution and is emitted by the control terrorists who manipulate the facts and perceptions of Americans who watch the news. These purveyors of stricter gun control measures seek to erode your defenses so that in your weakened state you will accept their sweet smelling tyranny.
The nation that was represented as a symbolic shining city on a hill that President Ronald Reagan spoke about over 30 years ago, is now becoming a broken mud hole of shattered dreams. America’s morning that has dawned over the nation is now bearing witness to the shredding of constitutional protections which have safe guarded families since the infancy of the republic. Obama has given the order to Vice President Biden: full steam ahead to obliterate gun rights to your town. You and your family are the targets and what will you do?
Jerry Wondergem
8:12 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The reaction by gun owners and even prospective gun owners to Obama’s desperate zeal is to hurry up and buy up all the potential guns and now-legal weapons that might be taken by edict or by force by the government. That may be a solution, but it is only a temporary one.
Once the federal government has quenched its thirst on stripping away gun rights, it will not hesitate to take the next step to criminalize actual possession of banned weapons!
Then what will you do? What is the response to a government that embraces tyrannical rule over the constitutional guarantees and protections contained within the U.S. Constitution? What are you, the father, the mother, the son or the daughter prepared to do when, the government official, acting on direct orders from a new commission set up by President Obama to confiscate your guns, knocks at your door?
Read more: http://clashdaily.com/2013/01/the-second-war-of-independence-is-declared/#ixzz2HrR2HtZW
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Jerry Wondergem
8:14 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Where are the defenders of the U.S. Constitution who are elected in Congress? Are you absolutely certain they will not give in, and knuckle under Obama’s determination which is aided by the mainstream media talking heads? Remember these are the same talking heads that avoided Obama’s dismissive behavior in not enforcing congressional legislation. This is the same mainstream media that buried the White House Benghazi murder cover up as if it never happened. Think about your choices when seeking to rely upon the fourth estate which is has been rendered a useless patsy for the Obama administration.
Now, do you really believe that once your guns are banned, and the weapons that were grandfathered, will not be taken in the second round of gun control legislation?
The War for Independence initially began with a flurry of gunshots which rang out in Boston on March 5, 1770, and there Americans drew the line in the sand against British imperialism and tyranny. The first to die, Crispus Attucks, a Blackman, and the 20 others with him had sticks and clubs, and the British soldiers had guns. Obviously sticks and clubs were not match, then nor are they now.
reg
6:06 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
and what exactly is "Obama's determination"?
Jerry Wondergem
8:15 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
John Hancock, one of the nation’s founding father spoke of that legendary heroic moment, by urging, “for a well-regulated militia of the whole people who would fight “for their liberty, and for themselves, and for their God.”
Unfortunately, for the tragic victims of Newtown, Connecticut, the government in Washington, has decided to disarm its citizens by using the very laws that Hancock and other founding fathers fought so desperately for. Instead, Obama, Biden and gun control mayors like New York City’s Michael Bloomberg, continuously assault the U.S. Constitutional Second Amendment rights. They work to manipulate this tragedy to lead a sustained assault on freedom of defense against tyranny.
The goal of the gun control activists is clear. They use their partnership with the mainstream media to paint a portrait of tragedy across the television screens of America’s living rooms and blame guns as the cause. They seek to nurture, cajole, neutralize or tempt Americans with the notion that guns created the havoc, and misery and tragedy that befell the victims.
Jerry Wondergem
8:16 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The victimizers who pulled the trigger and who designed the loathsome events are never held to account for any responsibility in perpetrating the heinous deeds. The incredulousness of this rationale defines logic. Taken to a logical conclusion, you would have to think the gun trigger actually forced the assassins to pick up the weapon and pull the trigger.
America, if you fall victim to this criminalization of your own legal rights, then the forces of Obama and his socialist tyranny have already won half of the battle.
These next few weeks, should not just be a wait-and-see-what-will-happen-in-Washington-D.C. interval. This has to be a time where you, the defender of your house, your home, your castle, embrace the belief that true representation begins in your home, not in Washington, D.C.
Each American must first determine for yourself, that you are ready to speak to your neighbor, your family member, your co-worker, or your friend, and ask, “What are you prepared to do, to hold your congressman or woman responsible?”
The congress cannot pass a law unless both houses pass the legislation to begin stripping your rights and the President signs it. If Obama tries to use an executive order to do it, then demand it be overridden and demonstrate until it is overridden!
The Second War of Independence is not when you begin to see the Obama gun control brigade at your door, it begins when you decide to do nothing, and just let it happen.
Ambassador
8:42 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Hey Jerry: When you watch a nature film from Africa you will probably see the killing of an antelope by a pride of lions. Once the lions are done eating, the vultures swarm in to finish off the carcass. This, at least to me, is clearly all of this rhetoric and public outrage and political crap that is going on now. This federal government and the liberal talking heads and politicos are nothing more than vultures feeding off the carcasses of 20 little children. There are areas where you can address serious deficiencies in our gun laws(straw purchases, undocumented private purchases) but, unfortunately, I do not, in any way shape or form, trust this federal government--it is run by a narcissistic lying moslem fascist and his minions who include a host of people who just make me want to gag. There is no way I trust them to address anything related to firearms without an end game that is disarming the citizenry. I am a Jew. I am not a sheep. I will not be like fellow Jews in Germany who loved their country and were too stupid to realize who their fascist leader and his government were all about--they were sheep and they were disarmed and they were slaughtered. I will not be a sheep. I will send someone to hell before I go to heaven.
Jerry Wondergem
8:19 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
All of you who believe the mainstream leftist liberal media and the Obama administration need to become self-thinkers so that you may hear the truth and stop listening to the lies. May God's will be done. PRAISE AND GLORY BE TO GOD FOREVER AND EVER. AMEN!
Daniel Rosenthal
8:25 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Yes, lets revive the Confederate States of America--but if we do so, we must also
revive what they call their "peculiar institution", i.e. black slavery. Require all blacks
to choose masters--or be sold into slavery by the states. Forbid education of slaves.
Re-enact the fugitive slave laws. That's what those yockels want, isn't it?
Jerry Wondergem
8:26 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Don't listen to any man unless they are in agreement with God and His word. Rebublican, democrat, liberal, conservative, etc... doesn't matter. There are corrupt and deceptive people everywhere. Only when one is in agreement with God and his word does one live and speak the truth. All else is from the devil. The real battle is not flesh against flesh; it is evil against good, righteousness against un-righteousness. The battlefield is the mind; it takes place in the mind of each and everyone of us and the devil loves it when you believe the lies and when good people do nothing to fight evil.
william brown
10:35 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Jay Carney should pay attention to and let everyone in Washington know the line about government being by the people, for the people, "for all people" to it does not mean we govern by executive orders or make laws without the participation of all members in Congress. We do not need government to tell us what is good for us or try to save us from ourselves. The people need to be respected by this administration not treated like we were born yesterday. We have a government who has actually broken the law and will continue to break the law as long as they go unchecked. Where is the legislative group, who enforces the laws and where are they? Government is not being run as our forefather had intended. With all of the self interest of the current administratve group is it any wonder states want to pull out of the union.
David P. Turnbole
12:46 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
William, this administration is no different than any that preceded it, with the exception of the Bush boys. They have been part of a conspiracy to move our government toward a corporatocracy. Bush I let Saddam Hussein know it would be okay to invade Kuwait. Then put together a coalition to drive him out. Why? To diminish his power in the middle East. He didn't need to go after Hussein. Bush II didn't see it that way. All that oil in Iraq just waiting to be taken over by the Bush family oil companies. He got Cheney to lie, after Cheney had set up the strike on America on 9-11-01, saying Hussein had WMD's. All bullshit but it got us into war on two fronts. The bin Laden family have been business partners with the Bush family for years. The bin Laden family threw Osama out of Egypt for his political activism. So now you have a reason why Osama was the scapegoat for 9-11. But dig back a little deeper and you see W's grandfather. He was a NAZI sympathizer and helped them with obtaining oil for their war machine. The Koch brother's grandfather also helped the NAZI regime. Two of the most influencial families, one of which sponsors the KKK and who's father was a founding member of the John Birch Society.
David P. Turnbole
12:46 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
You speak of this administration as if they wish to take away your right to free thinking. It's exactly the opposite. They tell you the truth, regardless of how it will affect them. Bush and Reagan would never think that way. Con the people, make them love you. Except Bush II had no clue how to do that.
Jerry Wondergem
5:42 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
David, David, David. I pray for such as you. My heart aches that there are still people who hate and not love; no matter the color of our skin. Jesus loves(AS DO I)all people; red, yellow, black or white, WE ALL ARE PRECIOUS IN HIS SIGHT. As far as Obama,Bush,Clinton,all the way back to the time of Kennedy's asassination; our great nation has been under attack for a very long time. They(Bilderburgs,Skulls and bones, Big banks, etc... etc.... etc....We even are not a dominate Christian nation anymore either(Sad, sad indeed). Everything about this great nation has to do with GOD being first and above all; not Buddah, John Wayne, Obama, Allah, etc.... GOD is the only One. He came to earth as a man named Jesus to show humans(all humans) how to Love GOD first of all, how to love our neighbors(Regardless of color), and to LOVE OURSELVES. His plan for ALL AREAS OF LIFE(including being the leader of a nation)is and only ever will be the only way that is "The Truth, The Way, and The Life"(which is what Jesus[God in human form] said is who He is. Jesus still Rules(Not Obama nor any human for that matter)and always will thru eternity. So, please love and quit playing the racism card. Debate all you want, but do it with love and leave the raciam card locked away. Love you man. Thanx and God Bless and Gods Will be done. AMEN!!!!!
Jerry Wondergem
4:20 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
You David Turnbole are obviously NOT a believer in the one and only true God. Also I am guessing based upon you always playing the race card that you are of black color. Jesus loves you as so do I. Stop playing the race card; it's people like you who have kept racism alive. Again, I pray for your souls sake that you will wise up. As far as being a Christian country you are mistaken and clueless. Our founding Christain fathers like all true Christians never push God onto people; we share Him and His Word through Love. That's why the constitution includes the FREEDOM OF RELIGION. If we were a Muslim nation as an example, the citizens would be forced to believe the religion and would be either treated as low lifes or murdered(I have done extensive study into most religions and spent 5 years in a State prison living amongst Muslims; so I know what I am talking about---didn't read that experience in no book nor watched it on no T.V.). You may or may not have alot of book or worldly information to your credit, BUT one thing for sure is you are not a man of WISDOM. Again David I pray for you and all who are like you.
allen dexter
10:47 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
let all these states go the want be able to protect themselves the are all mexicans now anyway and you see what kind of army they have.lol!
Doctor Scorpion
10:52 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Better idea; build bridges from Charlotte, NC and Atlanta, GA to Charleston, SC and sink the rest of SC underwater.
Doc
allen dexter
11:02 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
in 10 years these states will be apart of mexico anyway hell black americans or migrating north in rapid clicks except louisiana they are holding their identity in check
allen dexter
11:25 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
i wonder what the average iq level in the south is any way.
Dan Wall
11:34 am on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Most of the crazy comments are from the low I.Q. (a proven fact)... people living in the south. Why is that? Lack of education?... probably. Best of luck with life! Dan Wall
Joe B
12:05 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
SC is too small to be a country & too big to be an insame assylum.
Stephanie Fox
12:22 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
I vaguely remember what happened the last time South Carolina tried to leave the Union. I don't think it went well for them, but perhaps their schools teach kids a different version of history. I know they call it 'The War Between the States' instead of the Civil War, but that doesn't change that it took more than 100 years for them to recover.
stanley seigler
3:17 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
re: perhaps their schools teach kids a different version of history
all 'seriousness' aside...the way SC history was taught in my day it was difficult to tell who won the 'war between the states.'...ok so i exaggerate...but you get the point...
BTW full disclosure: i love my gallant south, south carolina and summerville and take umbrage when yankee carpet baggers put the south down...i have found the same redneck characteristics in most all parts of our BEAUTIFUL AMERICA.
also, know of (not personally) many very bright rednecks...bill clinton, jimmy carter LBJ, dick russell, strom thurman, fritz hollings, margaret mitchell, edgar allen poe...some recent (2013) rhodes scholars: Elizabeth Allan, UGA; Joy A. Buolamwini GATECH; Rachel M. Myrick UNC; Joseph W. Riley UVA; Rachel M. Woodlee WOFFORD...
James Barrick
12:28 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
The wise old adage, "Be careful what you ask for..." applies here.
Do those who want to secede realize they'd have to give up participation in all "National (football/baseball/hockey) League," or the "American (football/baseball/hockey) League," or need passports to visit neighboring states?
Or pay Tariffs on goods manufactured in Ohio, New York, or any other state that stays in the Union? Or benefit from the Federal Emergency Management, should they suffer a "National" disaster? Or give up your states entrance into the Miss America Pageant? Do you want your state expelled from NASCAR? Oh.... the horror!!!
Think through the consequences, my friends, about the price you'd pay for NOT being in the United States.
David P. Turnbole
12:34 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Please note these were all southern states, the same ones that tried to secede during the Lincoln administration and for similar reasons. Racism lives in America and it's not just in the south but these morons that signed the petitions only want the black man out of the White House. They want a white, gun toting, wife beating society. Well, except for the white aspect, they could move to Somalia where everyone carries a gun, including the children, wife beating is a sport and capitalism is rampant with piracy on the high seas as the main occupation and kidnapping a way to fund their fun. The ones that want secession can move there and hate all the blacks they want. I, for one, would like to see how that works out for them.
Jerry Wondergem
4:30 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
David David David. U REALLY NEED TO QUIT USING THE RACE CARD. You my man are a foolish person and really need to become wise. To truely become wise you must first accept the only and true wise God(Christ Jesus) into your heart; then you will see things thru God's eyes and according to His Will----which also means you will learn to love and not hate no matter what skin color anyone has; thus by doing so, you will hopefully quit playing your race card and become a wise man---A man after Gods own heart instead of after Satans heart. AGAIN: I pray for your soul. Godswill be done on earth as it is in Heaven. AMEN! You do know what Amen means, right?
TB Player
1:50 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Any State can Secede from the Union It does not need Federal Permission OR Authority. Unless you have Coastline, your secession will not be successful. Actually, Texas is the only State that could truly secede and survive. They have their entirely own, independent power grid, they have oil and natural gas, and they have coastline. They actually, do not need the rest of America to survive.
Chas Beranek
3:51 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
will anyone check and see how much SC receives from the rest of us (US)
Longpoint 1
4:31 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
For all the morons that seem to beleive that because President Obama is catagorized as Black they coveiniently over look the fact that his mother was white ! There are a greate many tuely Blacks in this country that despise the fact that Obama uses his skin color as a racist shield ! It is not his skin color or his fathers ethnicity but his idiology that brings out the overwhelming dislike and distrust of him and his Cabal ! The obama administrion knows they can continue to win in its battles with Congress and the Supreme Court because they seem to think the will of the people to fight through their representatives has very little back bone ! If we do not insist on preserving our constitutional rights this nation we have known and that has been the shining light of freedom through out the world will be unrecognisable in a few short years !
reg
5:43 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Can you give us an example of the constitutional rights you say Obama is threatening?
And can you give us an example of this "racist shield"?
stanley seigler
10:44 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
reg,
there neve has been, never will be examples from most ot the BO-hater..cause .there are NONE
David P. Turnbole
10:50 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
NDAA was put together by the House of Representatives, dominated by war hawks in the Teathuglikkkon party. In order to fund the military and it's contractors the president had to assure none of the war hawks could take down American citizens without his express approval. That's why HR 1032 in in it, to assure the House can't use HR 1031 against us. Constitutional rights. Please let me know what rights, based on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, the Amendments to the Constitution that are being taken away by the POTUS?
Jerry Wondergem
6:49 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Right on Longpoint1. As far as you go Reg: Open your eyes and ears and wake up from your mind manipulated slumber. You can't see nor hear the truth even if it slapped you in the face. Sad indeed. :-(
Gloria J. Traylor
4:39 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Believe me, IF any state is allowed to secede, it will soon be a very large state as everyone who is dissatisfied with Obama and the mess he has made will relocate there! AND, if that state sets itself up as "one State under God," it will be one great prosperous state. When that happens, I'll be moving, that's for sure!
reg
5:45 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
It will be a state that's practically empty. Of course, this notion is the kooky concept of one with an IQ of a slug, and will never happen, but if it did .... that state would be closed. No interstate commerce; no transportation in or out; it would be shut down and made to look like a village chock full of idiots.
Mary Ann
6:44 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
Goodbye and good riddance. We certainly don't need your kind. SC gets a lot more from the federal govt. than they contribute so we'll all be better off.
David P. Turnbole
10:32 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
I hope you do but be sure to make it all the way to Mexico because you morons can't have any state in my country for your little racist bullshit.
Ned
4:47 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
It is so amazing that these petitioners think that their crazy, misguded, and radical idea is a viable solution to the nations problem is truly amazing. The founding fathers gave us specific ways to change the governent. When you get the required support go for it...until then let the real Americans live in peace.
GunnyHighway
7:32 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013
South Carolina would be a third world country if secession had been successful.
Ben Therinbach
6:29 am on Monday, January 14, 2013
Some of you arrogant and mentally inept people from states not in the South, should take time to see where the money for running the national government came from. South Carolina would NOT be a "third world country" because it was a part of a Confederacy that kept the federal government in the black! How about the fact that MOST revenue came from the South to Northern dependants through the "federal government?? READ an HONEST HISTORY of America and stop deluding yourselves about the REAL South!
David P. Turnbole
2:13 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Then you should concentrate you focus on Richard Cheney, George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and others privvy to Operation Pearl Harbor. Mr. Cheney set up a "Pearl" for "the Old Man" because Bush wanted to go after Saddam Hussein. He felt daddy didn't finish the job. Mr. Rumsfeld "lost" 2.3 TRILLION dollars from the DoD. Lost it. "Gee, even MY paycheck is off occassionally." Bush went to Florida so he didn't have to be in Washington when the plane arrived. What plane? Why, the only one carrying passengers that was shot down by Cheney. The other military planes painted up to look like passenger liners are what hit the trade center and those are the only other planes used. The thing that hit the Pentagon, you remember that newly reinforced structure that needed to be tested just in case something like this happened, was hit by a cruise missle. A plane would not have mae a hole that small and would have left behind something. No engines, no luggage, no seats, he human remains except those that just happened to be in that section at the time., If you really wish for proof I have it and will be glad to share it. Contact me on Facebook or on AOL or continue to believe the bullshit the government shoved down our throats.
David P. Turnbole
2:19 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Then, Chistine, may I suggest a country that has no government, is in constant civil war, everyone carries a weapon including the children. The only downside for you would be they are allowed to beat women and they're all black. Somalia seems like just the place for those who wish to secede from my country.
David P. Turnbole
2:43 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Goodbye? Awww, and we were just starting to get along too. Oh well, I have that effect on women.
Jerry Wondergem
5:55 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
CSCOPE, the controversial online curriculum that taught “Allah is God” and currently is used in 80 percent of Texas school districts, has caught the attention of the Obama administration’s Department of Education
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/obama-interested-in-allah-is-god-curriculum/#s0PP5tYX4kVf0big.99
Jerry Wondergem
5:57 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
History has shown us that the careless misuse of legislative power will have long term—and in many cases irreversible—consequences for the United States of America. Federal legislatures that are managed without caution and respect for our governing principles always create social and economic havoc in our Republic. Now Presidential executive orders are becoming a tolerated misuse of authority and if they are not challenged by the people we will find our rights to redress will vanish in the blink of an eye.
Jerry Wondergem
5:59 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Note: America is and always has been a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. History don't lie.
Jerry Wondergem
5:59 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Presidential executive orders have their place in directing the operations of our Executive Branch. In times of real crisis they allow responsible Presidents—Presidents who take their oaths of office seriously—the authority to temporarily address emergencies when swift action is necessary to protect the American people. Today our constitutional republic is being threatened by the maniacal overuse of this Presidential privilege. Overuse by a man, Barrack Hussein Obama, who willingly ignores the crises created by past government overreach while insisting that his overreach is the only answer to our nation’s problems.
If history shows us anything, it is that government interference is the prevailing catalyst for national crisis. With our elected legislators effectively removed from the governing process and replaced by a media driven national agenda—an agenda that unabashedly supports un-American activities—our nation will, one day soon, experience a crisis of a magnitude not felt since the Civil War.
Jerry Wondergem
6:01 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
By statute, Presidential executive orders must be legally enforceable and constitutionally correct. A President that issues orders contrary to the U.S. Constitution is in violation of his oath of office and becomes a threat to the document he is sworn to protect. No authority exists to enforce an unconstitutional executive order, yet there is historical precedent confirming there toleration by our government and our citizenry. Roosevelt’s executive order which led to the internment of Japanese, German, and Italian Americans during WWII serves as one example of such an executive order. Over 150,000 American citizens imprisoned to satisfy the national security concerns of a country at war.
In case we have forgotten, the President was not elected to fix problems that don’t exist. In part, he was elected to steward the repair of our broken economy, reform Washington and unite Americans. I think it’s fair to say that every elected representative in Washington was elected with the same rationale in mind. So why is our government focusing on the manufactured crisis of escalating gun violence instead of the real problems created by their historical overreach?
Jerry Wondergem
6:02 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Because they are afraid.
Our government knows that there is no simple solution on the horizon for our mounting debt and exploding poverty levels. By their own estimations, it will not be long before our economy deteriorates and government confiscation of wealth and property becomes the norm. In the end, the poor will be sacrificed first and the rest of us will follow.
Gun violence—much like the fictitious affordable housing shortages of the 90’s—is not at crisis levels in the United States. The real crisis in America, the next bubble that will burst one day, is the President and Legislative branch’s overstepping of their authority and the endemic betrayal of their oaths of office; betrayals that have led to our current national predicament. Americans are now anxious of what things lie in wait around the corner. Things that our government conveniently forgets to warn us about.
Jerry Wondergem
6:03 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Today, Americans acting within the spirit of the 2nd Amendment are depleting firearms inventories at historic levels. Real and growing fear of tyranny is forcing many Americans to consider violent defense of their person and property from a government that grows more adversarial with each careless executive order issued by an untrustworthy and radical President. Now is the time to protest our government’s intrusion on our liberty. Waiting for fate to knock at our doors will only lead to deaths and more loss of freedom.
The electorate must begin to organize and march on Washington and our states capitols with our demands for redress. Not once or twice, but as often as necessary until our government is forced to bend to our legitimate legal requests. We must demand investigations, prosecutions and convictions for the misuse of power that we have willingly and blindly endured. We do have recourse in America and it should not have to be defended by violent acts of revolution.
Americans must begin to develop the courage to say “No!” to forced participation in bad legislation and illegal Presidential proclamations. We can no longer afford to wait for our Judiciary to decide what laws should be enforced. We know better. We just need to show them that we do. And that doesn’t always require armed confrontation. In most cases it simply requires an ideological show of force. We have the right to redress.
David P. Turnbole
8:25 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
So let me get this straight..... your feel the black man in the White House is taking away your rights? Really? You call for a march on Washington and, because of the previous comments about the president you obviously didn't elect but the vast majority of Americans did, you are obviously talking about marching on the White House. Would that be with those guns he's trying to take away from you? The POTUS has the right to make certain proclamations. It's why he's president. It was written into the Constitution and the Amendments to the Constitution. So perhaps you should take your AK Penis extension somewhere that won't bother you about it. Somalia allows guns. They've no government, it's every person for themselves. Everyone carries a gun, even the children. You can even beat your wives and girl friends and who cares if you happen to kill some. Just leaves more food for you. They even have a thriving capitalistic system, it's called piracy and kidnapping. You'll fit right in..... oh wait, you're white, right? That might be a stumbling block since it's a predominately black country.
Jerry Wondergem
6:03 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
If we fail to utilize that right, here and now, future generations will be sacrificed through carnage and tyranny.
Jerry Wondergem
6:14 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Shared this article; Did not write it. Just copied then pasted
Jerry Wondergem
4:38 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I shared that article Mr. David as I noted before down below. Secondly, your use of foul and crude language is just plain disrepectful and downright wrong morally. Get real wisdom my man that can only be acquired through receiving Christ Jesus. AGAIN, I pray for your lost soul. To God be the glory and honor forever.
Jerry Wondergem
6:12 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
There is a video making the rounds on the Internet of a Florida woman, Angel Adams, who, two years ago, was living in a single motel room with twelve of her fifteen children fathered by three different men. She is presently pregnant with her sixteenth.
The original NBC report has only now, two years later, received widespread attention.
In the video, Adams says that the community has been helping her out by donating food, and the Department of Children and Families said that they helped Adams by paying her rent and buying furniture for her.
But Adams appears in the video to be ungrateful for all the help she had received (which, in my opinion, was too much).
“Somebody–needs to pay–for alllll my children,” she says sternly, sweeping her arm in a wide, flat arc over the room, indicating her kids running around, “and my and Gary [her imprisoned fiancé]–all our suffering, alllll our pain–somebody needs to be held accountable and they need to pay.”
She makes a fine argument. I once went drag-racing with a rental car. The road was slick with ice and I crashed. The car was totaled. And worse, now I had no car! So I had the gnarled wreckage towed back to the car-rental place and told them that somebody needs to be held accountable, somebody needs to pay me for a new rental.
The car-rental place didn’t seem to agree, apparently having little in common with the federal government, and I was forced to pay for the choice I made to drive recklessly.
Jerry Wondergem
6:13 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
This woman, Angel Adams, this spoiled, selfish, entitled brat truly believes she is in the right to demand that you, that I, pay for the decisions, for the choices, that she made in life. And not only that, but she believes it is in the government’s authority to force that money from others and redirect it to her.
After I posted the video on my website, a liberal commented that he believes most other liberals would be just as disgusted with that woman as conservatives are. He added that he is not the same type of liberal as this woman apparently is; he didn’t vote for Obama for handouts and other people’s money, he said; he voted for Obama because of Obama’s handling of student loans and permitting him to stay on his parent’s insurance until the age of 26, or what is known in liberals as the age of the onset of adolescence.
I told him that that’s no different from the woman in the video. The woman in the video wants something from the government, and he wants something from the government. The woman wants me to pay for her children, me to suffer the consequences of her choices, and the young lad, likewise, wants me to pay for his healthcare, wants my money to be redistributed to him and his classmates, me to indulge monetarily so that he can indulge collegially.
There has got to be something worse than worst, because “the worst generation,” the baby boomers, has got nothing on the present one. We are monsters.
Jerry Wondergem
6:13 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Shared this article. I did not write it. Just copied and pasted
David P. Turnbole
8:33 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
And in case you all have forgotten your grade school civics classes, this has never been a Christian nation.. Specically, The very first amendment states there shall be no religion recognized as the country religion nor shall any religion be not allowed.
Jerry Wondergem
5:03 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Our founding fathers who most of were of Christains decenwrote it as "The Freedom of Religion". What this shows is that True Christians(such as most of the founding fathers were) understand that one cannot force anyone to believe in and accept Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior(Which Jamie Fox called Obama["Our God and Lord and Savior] at the BET awards); IT IS A PERSONAL CHOICE. So, that's why they put in the right to freedom of religion. Get Godly wisdom Mr. David; Job 11:12, 28:28; 1 Corintians 3:18-19; Proverbs 3:7, 26:12
Jerry Wondergem
5:06 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
gotta love typos. Suppose to read of Christian decent wrote.....