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UPDATED: Haley, Wilson Unveil Separate Ethics Reforms

Haley focuses on her past struggles, Wilson focuses on enforcement.

Gov. Nikki Haley sought to take a stand on ethics reform Wednesday, on a tour of four cities (Charleston, Myrtle Beach, Greenville and Columbia) where she introduced five bullet points that she wants to see accomplished in 2012-2013 legislative session.

They are (partial notes provided by Haley's office):

  • No Incumbent Exemption for Elections Filings: All candidates for public office – whether incumbent or non-incumbent – should be required to file the same forms for candidacy. Current state law must be clarified to avoid incumbency protection and to promote a democratic election process.
  • Mandatory Conflict of Interest Recusals by Lawyer-Legislators: Recusal requirements for legislators appearing before boards on behalf of private clients should be strengthened to prohibit conflicts of interest and improper influence. 
  • One Ethics Commission for all Public Officials: Current ethics review processes lacks coordination - public integrity oversight agencies do not have a coordinated approach to investigating and prosecuting ethical misconduct. They also lack credibility - legislative ethics committees police themselves and their colleagues. Therefore, it’s time for a constitutional amendment to expand the State Ethics Commission’s jurisdiction to include members of the General Assembly and dissolve the legislative ethics committees.
  • Total Income Disclosure for Elected Officials: Income disclosures empower the public to hold their elected officials accountable. Current state law does not require elected officials to disclose private sources of income.
  • Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Applies to All Branches of Government:  According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, forty-six states have FOIA laws that are stronger regarding disclosure of legislative records.

The governor has faced criticism and challenges in the past year on the last three of these, on claims against her as a House member.

"Through everything I've been through in the past year, I don't want any other person to have to go through I had to go through," she said. "This is protecting those in political office to know they did the right thing and, if questioned, having one avenue on how that goes forward."

Attorney General Alan Wilson joined Haley on the tour, but focused his comments on trying to address enforcement issues regarding political abuse.

Haley's plan also calls for equitable treatment of incumbents and challengers in campaign filing. Hundreds of candidates were forced off the primary ballots earlier this year because of a filing requirement that exempted incumbents.

"We want to make sure the filings are the same. This is about getting more people involved," Haley said. "This is not about incumbent protection."

Haley went on to criticize Sen. Jake Knotts (R-Lexington) for uncovering a loophole in campaign filing protocol and filing the suit that led to candidates across the state being removed from ballots. When the senate tried to pass legislation that would have removed the loophole, Knotts blocked it on a procedural grounds.

"If you want to get to the heart of the problem, it's Jake Knotts," Haley said. "The idea that one person could keep two hundred candidates off the ballot is terrible."

The governor's proposal also called for mandatory conflict of interest disclosures. "Bottom line, we think the people of South Carolina deserve better," she said.

Wilson proposed a public integrity unit that will allow agencies to collaborate investigation efforts on day one, including state law enforcement, Department of Revenue, the Ethics Commission and the inspectors general office.

"A lot of times you have duplicative efforts," he said. "There's not a sharing of intelligence. There's not a sharing of resources."

It wouldn't be a new department, but an understanding between departments that they would work together in ethics cases.

Wilson noted he has been working with ethics leaders in the General Assembly on the ways to improve enforcement. "I'm happy to say there is a commitment to reforming ethics laws in our state," Wilson said. "We're all working on many issues of ethics reforms."

Haley said she expects that the House and Senate will come up with their own plans, but she wanted to lead with her own, independent proposal for reforms.

"This is a start," Haley said. "I know we're going to see additions and changes before ethics reforms is passed."

John Crangle of South Carolina Common Cause said that ethics reform proposals from Haley were fine, but much more is needed. “The real problems are a result of campaign fundraising and the governor’s proposals don’t address that at all,” Crangle said.

silvereagle0412 August 22, 2012 at 04:12 pm
It's the fox guarding the hen house,” said Haley, who recently was cleared of ethics charges,
Exactly - who will be policing Haley - she is the most frequent violator of ethics - the most corrupt governor in the history of SC. So is Haley saying the legislature needs ethics reform but she doesn't - I don't think so. Haley is just looking for any accomplishment she can find to put in her speech at RNC - If I hear ethics reform - I will know where it came from. Haley is once again trying to act like a dictator - except she bullied Alan Wilson into going along with her - he WILL regret it. Haley needs to not work on ethics reform - she doesn't have a clue what ethics are. Should read "proposed" ethics reform package. Haley bullied Alan Wilson into going with her for this little stunt so she would have something to put in her speech for RNC. No one in Columbia knows anything about this little ethic reform package - it cannot be done in a vacuum - Does Haley really think she is a dictator and can just make something law. The ethics reform package would have to be approved and passed by the legislature. And the way Nikki Haley is going - the same thing is going to happen to the ethics reform package that happened to the Dept. of Administration. Nikki Haley is playing dictator again - just for her speech - boy has that speech costs the state of SC. That redneck from Bamberg needs to go back home.
Laura August 22, 2012 at 05:32 pm
So Haley! Which one of your friends are going to head this position to overlook it? What will their salary be? Are we not supposed to be cutting the budget? What pee on is going to loose their jobs so you can justify the salary? I think the Attorney General should write into law, the law of ethics. And if there is a violation, they have people already in place to investigate it. You are not a lawmaker! Do not try to take action because you do not like the fact that you were accused of something and investigated. That is called Due process!
stanley seigler August 22, 2012 at 05:55 pm
@silvereagle0412: '...she is the most frequent violator of ethics...'
well at least she hasnt gone hiking on south america's appalachian trail...
Joe August 22, 2012 at 11:00 pm
No matter what an elected official does someone whines., pass the bill it is a start.
Joe August 22, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Haley has been a good Governor, not great but she faces traitors in her own party who have been drinking from the pot for far too long as is the case with both parties
penny August 23, 2012 at 01:07 pm
She has been an abominal governess. She should have been impeached for her "Savannah River Sellout" alone.
The State Legislature has already passed ethics reform this year (and Haley signed the bill). Is her memory that short? No. If you will note, each and every "reform" addresses an issue SHE has violated. This is purely and simply a publicity stunt, pulled so she can add another point to her speech before the Republican convention. Of course, God and Isaac may have something to say about that.
penny August 23, 2012 at 01:08 pm
The Legislature has already passed a new ethics bill.
penny August 23, 2012 at 01:10 pm
"Hiking the Appalachian Trail" in South America or the U.S. is/was a purely personal failing. Haley's violations are far more serious because they affect the taxpayers and citizens of the state.
Laura August 23, 2012 at 01:51 pm
Of course Joe (Joe Wilson) you think Haley has been a good Governess. What have you done for our state lately? But you are right at her heels. Try to get in touch with Joe's office by phone if you are a nobody, You will not even get a return call.
Michael Jones August 23, 2012 at 05:39 pm
I support Haley period. what ethics has she violated? I'll tell you who is corrupted to the core and it's the jackass party and Obama supporters. piss off!
Laura August 23, 2012 at 05:55 pm
Our elected official are held at a higher level of ethics than the normal person. They are supposed to set the example for the citizens of South Carolina. They are suppose to do things the right way. Not pull strings or use you position to get ahead financially for yourself and daughter. They should have tact (the ability to get a point across without being offensive). She showed none when replying to the reporter. She should be teaching our children that if they work hard they will get ahead. Not showing her daughter that she can get a job just because of who her mother is. Teach the children self respect, confidence, self esteem and to guide them and prepare them to actively seek employement, so when they do get a job, they can pat themselves on the back. So I do not think she is sending out a good message to the public. No laws have been broken, but we do not know everything that she has done and has not been caught in yet!
stanley seigler August 23, 2012 at 06:59 pm
@Michael Jones: 'I support Haley period...etc'
me too...dont understand the GOPs who think 'redneck from Bamberg needs to go back home'...she is the epitome of what our country is about...as is BO...ie; regardless of background, skin color, religion, whatever...you can be gov or president. those who dislike SC gov and hate BO...must hate our country... so much for agreeing w/ MJ (not mother jones)...it is comments like: 'it's the jackass party and Obama supporters' that make compromise impossible...and add absolutely NOTHING to a discussion.
Leroy August 26, 2012 at 10:44 pm
If I had a guess, I would guess that Penny is a state employer who is not getting her way?
Peace Veteran October 18, 2012 at 04:24 pm
Nimrata Haley betrays her name HARMONY in Hindu. To achieve political harmony ALL CORPORATIONS MUST BE BANNED FROM MAKING A single penny of political contribution, a single penny in political advertizing, writing a single rule or a single law. Such are the rights of real persons to live within legal campaign spending limits. We need publically funded elections ONE PENNY PER DAY PER VOTER.... it works in 5 states AZ to CT so that wealthy individuals can not buy their way into office..... and Alan Wilson needs to have Bobby Harrell arrested for fraud, worse than LtGov Ard buying himself expensive clothing and hiding cash contributions under real donor names.... Bobby has created his own private corporation airline and pays himself to be the pilot out of campaign slush funds from billion dollar corporations like Verizon & Boeing who have stolen public property for 3 pennies on the dollar & busting unions. www.hireLarryFireBobby.com Nimrata Haley bragged about all of this in Tampa this summer while selling her lies attacking poor blacks with her racist photoVoter law.... blacks born too poor to get a birth certificate in a hospital.... 843-926-1750 @Greens926_1750 Larry_Carter_Center@yahoo.com @VoteLarryDis114 it is time for Ethics Committee Chair Roland Smith to resign as he did nothing to stop Bobby Harrell from violating state mileage limit spending on travel to Columbia for their jobs in the General Assembly ... VOTE LARRY jail Bobby the pilot to mockery of democracy
Peace Veteran October 18, 2012 at 04:31 pm
Nimrata Haley has her two boy toy friends, at least Marcus Sanford is a true romantic poet marrying his Argentine soul mate paying his 70 thousand dollar fines as a corrupt Governor... Nimrata threatened her Ethics Chair and legislative colleagues "investigating" last spring her criminal conduct as a employee of Lexington Hospital.... taking money in salary for doing NOTHING .... AND HER BRIBES TAKEN in Savannah GA still goes UN-investigated and unpunished.... www.hireLarryFireBobby.com 843-926-1750 @Greens926_1750 Larry_Carter_Center@yahoo.com we need independent prosecuting attourneys and NON-PARTISAN judges to stay within the laws UNLIKE THE SOUTH CAROLINA SUPREME COURT which invents jurisdiction and authority over candidates for office where none IS EVEN IMPLIED in the statutes, we need the FBI and United States Attourney General to return to SC as they did in 1998 SOMEHOW failing to look into Bobby Harrell amassing millions of dollars from corporations then
Peace Veteran October 18, 2012 at 04:33 pm
what an incompetent lie, Nimrata Haley has attacked women's rape investigation doctors & nurses budgets & attacked 178 thousand blacks in her racist attempt to deny them a vote they have voted for decades born without birth certificates TOO POOR to even get a name from the hospital or county racist clerks @VoteLarryDis114 www.hireLarryFireBobby.com

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We owned a Pit Bull named Dugan, raised him from a puppy with our Great Dane Brandy and Dinky ourRead More cat. He was very gentle, loved children and other animals; he never attacked or bit anyone, never showed any aggression. Our children and their friends use to ride him like a small pony and he would play with balloons carrying them in his mouth so gentle so not to break them. Are ALL Pit Bulls trustworthy? No, but I've known several Pit Bull owners and their dogs so I can speak fairly on the subject. We had a female Toy Poodle who would try to bite the vet during every visit. We now have a female Beagle who I do not trust around children because she will bite if there's any food around. I have seen many small breed dogs with bad dispositions. The reason Pit Bulls are in the news so much is because of their strength & damage they are capable of inflicting. If you honestly research dog attacks, you will find there are just as many attacks from other 'bad dog' breeds if not more. A friend of mine has a German Sheppard who I trusted when he was a puppy but now he is full grown I don't dare go near him. He lunged at me and my husband and you could see the look in his eyes change from calm to rage. Cats can be the same way. Don't judge the entire breed based on a few bad dogs. The majority of the time it is due to the way their owners raise them.
JoSCh June 19, 2013 at 08:36 am
The ability for the new boards to track old replies is less than stellar. I wonder if it will beRead More this difficult to track replies on new threads.... These people don't understand nuance or perspective Deb Snider. They believe that because a handful of people are killed each year by pit bulls that all of them should be banned.
Deb Snider June 19, 2013 at 04:57 pm
Here is one youtube video showing the protective nature of a Pit Bull.Read More https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIu2zUBnCgg
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Sorry guys, tired of playing. I was just refering to all of the posts, a lot of which seemed to beRead More from folks that don't even live in SC. I read a lot of the posts on the Patch and I can't help but wonder if a lot of people commenting with such personal comments might have been picked on or bulied as kids or in high school and now they feel as though they are getting even, behind their computer and keyboard. Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time. But, some folks on here (patch) just seem to be a little, off, politics aside.
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"The student is the only HUMAN BEING supposed to be in the picture." Yearbooks aren'tRead More Vietnam people, there ARE RULES!
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JoSCh May 7, 2013 at 02:04 pm
You could, and should imo, post "thank God that she had the child and did not abort it."Read More on every patch post about a human that lived... ever.
Ex-Navy May 4, 2013 at 07:42 pm
I'm helping a friend of mine clear land they just bought. Lots of log splitting.
Diana May 4, 2013 at 08:22 pm
LOL 5 War Veteran!! is Stanley still bothering you??
5 War Veteran May 4, 2013 at 09:42 pm
Yep he rides me like his favorite toy, makes all sorts of comments about what he calls conspiraciesRead More and rarely follows the links provided to see the evidence for himself. A true sheeple suffering from cognitive dissonance. Of course he apparently knows everything and the world is greater for it. I am so lucky to have such an admirer. Kind of reminds me of a 13 going on 30 adolescent. Telling dad how to dress. How to think and what to do.
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JoSCh April 25, 2013 at 02:27 pm
No, the prank didn't go too far. That Patch asks if they went too far is clearly going too farRead More though. You should set up a Speak Out post about it. :-|
Diana April 25, 2013 at 07:32 pm
I bet his mother didnt think it was too damn funny! <---- mother of all boys
GunnyHighway April 26, 2013 at 03:24 pm
Well done! Bravo to the pranksters!
Cheryll Woods-Flowers April 24, 2013 at 01:47 pm
I'll tell you what it says...You should be buying if you can! With 3.5% down, a seller can pay yourRead More closing costs. If your credit needs work, there are lenders who can give you advice so that you can be in a position to buy in no time!
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With the Fed holding down interest rates, the price of housing has stabilized. What happens whenRead More the Fed stops buying bonds? What happens when the current crop of 3% down buyers realize that they are underwater?
5 War Veteran April 24, 2013 at 05:49 pm
Hmmm, It says I am paying too much at $1640.00 a month.
Lee Anderson April 28, 2013 at 01:47 pm
For Elizabeth Colbert-Busch: I sat through the three hour House Oversight Committee Hearing in NorthRead More Charleston when the NLRB sued Boeing. Keeping in mind that the local Vought workers (pre-Boeing) voted *out* the IAM when they were incommunicado once voted in and failed to deliver on multiple promises, do you plan to return any of the campaign contribution you've received from them? If not, why not?
Lady Godiva May 3, 2013 at 12:28 pm
If this were a competition for who is the most morally and ethically unblemished, ECB would win. IfRead More this were an election for who has the best qualifications to help reduce spending and restore this nation fiscally, Sanford would win. Hold your nose and vote for Sanford. The economy our children inherit matters most.
Ajay Jain May 4, 2013 at 07:47 pm
Watch the ONLY debate between Elizabeth Colbert Busch and Mark Sanford and decide who to vote for!Read More https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpPy5u7EszM
KAREN May 3, 2013 at 03:13 pm
You are soooo right! Only this sperm donor knows his motivation (and it sure doesn't appear to beRead More LOVE), but to suddenly have a come-to-Jesus moment and snatch this child from the only home she's known is despicable! I pray the court will realize this too.
justthinking May 6, 2013 at 12:32 pm
This is true. No matter what the courts say. After a father gives up his rights; he should neverRead More be allowed to get the child under any circumstances. It seems to me that he should think more of the child than remove her from the only home she has ever known. He is not good father material as he only thinks of himself. He is no more than a dog.
5 War Veteran June 5, 2013 at 01:05 pm
I would like to know why hgquin's message is not displayed here? "Since Veronica's adoption wasRead More not legally finalized and the birth father was unaware of the adoption. Veronica belongs with the father. Let's hope he is a good father. As a member of the Navajo tribe and being adopted at birth. Childhood was rough. Adopted native kids are treated badly from day 1. You grow up being reminded by famiy members that you were not good enough and not really part of the family. I have my own family and I'm very protective of them and keep them away from my native family members. We are better off that way even though it is sad."
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FEMA's National Flood Insurance Program was over $20 billion in debt to the national treasury; theRead More program was conceived as a self-supporting insurance program and it mostly was until Katrina and Rita hurricanes. Efforts to get Congress to forgive the loan from the treasury failed, and the Biggert-Waters Flood Insurance Reform Act of 2012 requires that this debt. This program affects all states, including South Carolina. Please refer to this website for a summary of the contents. http://www.floods.org/ace-files/documentlibrary/2012_NFIP_Reform/2012_NFIP_Reform_Act_ASFPM_Summary_of_Contents.pdf The Government has a monopoly for flood insurance and the Biggert-Waters Act removed subsidized rates and allows rates to increase by 25% per year until actuarial rates are achieved and requires FEMA to update Base Flood Elevations. FEMA says that after spending $30,000 to raise my house it will "only" cost $3,500 per year for Flood Insurance. If I do NOT raise my house the Flood Insurance premium will "only" be $31,500 (not a typo) per year. How are most people going to afford this? Page 2 of the following website shows FEMA’s new insurance costs. Rebuilding After Hurricane Sandy: Building Safer and Stronger Pays Off
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JoSCh April 24, 2013 at 05:11 pm
So how are you going to build stronger and more resilient with a more realistic approach? TheRead More maps aren't making people make harsh decisions, the rising flood waters are. You have somewhere to turn if you can't afford to live on the coast; inland. And there is NOTHING wrong with mapmakers making flood maps by only taking flood data into consideration.
Kathy April 17, 2013 at 03:55 pm
I agree with JoSCh, 11 year old's are very capable of causing a lot of harm. But this is a perfectRead More example of what does need to be investigated now not after he does something. At the same time there have probably been signs that have been ignored already. It is better to investigate now then after someone has died.
JoSCh April 17, 2013 at 04:10 pm
That someone like you considers children drawing murder fantasy normal behavior is not the least bitRead More surprising. Violent video games aren't "available to children" anymore than cigarettes are. And nobody has ever been killed by a person armed with a video game. Are you against the glorification of killing for a head to hang on the wall? A medal to wear on your chest?
Justice Prudence April 20, 2013 at 05:37 pm
If the kid is an artist and expressing their art in a macabre way because they're talented - that'sRead More acceptable. If the kid is drawing disturbing pics that possess no artistic whathaveyou's - just disturbing imagery, then perhaps a school counselor and child psychologist should meet with the parents and child to see what's what. If the kid has a history of violence and then draws pics depicting future events or past violent actions, then HELL yes all folks need to be involved and get that little basterd some much needed help! If the kid draws some pics and shows his teacher and the teacher is disturbed, a conversation is absolutely necessary. If the teacher is noseying around some kids' drawing pad and assumes things based upon nothing, then she can either have a conversation with her supervisors/the school counselor and if decided by those educators, then the parents should be involved at that point. Otherwise, let the kid draw and just keep an eye on their activity and the other students.
Ambassador April 12, 2013 at 06:53 pm
Those of you who find this to be a problem should try a commute in NYC, Atlanta, DC, Houston and LA.Read More We have a walk in the park compared to others. Personally, I am retired and really could not care less about your commute. Once you give me back MY Money and stop calling it an Entitlement, maybe I will find some sympathy. Once you give me back this country the way it once was and not this current asylum run by its inmates,maybe I will find some sympathy. Traffic is the least of my problems. Keep building, keep giving into the Beach Company and others who keep building and no amount of roads will ever make a difference. "BUILD AND THEY WILL COME". All those cities mentioned above have been there already and we will just follow their idiocy and greed..
stanley seigler April 12, 2013 at 08:42 pm
re: '...try a commute in NYC, Atlanta, DC, Houston and LA. We have a walk in the park compared toRead More others...' no longer personally affected by commuter traffic either...but not sure SC is a 'walk in the park' compared to say LA...my experience is LA handles traffic better than sville... have no idea what metrics would be comparable...only easily comparable data found, DEATHS PER 100,000: SC 17.47; CA 7.27 for miles traveled, say during rush hours, bet time spent in traffic per capita mile (whatever) is less in LA...know i feel safer driving in LA than sville... ohand...safer driving in blue states... http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/20/15224677-red-state-blue-state-divide-reflected-in-grim-statistic-fatal-traffic-accidents?lite
reg April 12, 2013 at 09:55 pm
It isn't interstate traffic that gets me; it's small road traffic. In a lot of Dorchester County,Read More developers came and built thousands of homes, the county built new schools ---- and they all rely on the same two-lane/two-direction streets that were there before any of that development. Takes me 15 minutes to move less than one mile away from the neighborhood in the morning.
A Blanton April 8, 2013 at 06:32 pm
If PETA succeeds in legislating the responsible legitimate breeders out of business, then onlyRead More irresponsible breeders (for example, puppy mills) will continue breeding, regardless of whether it's lawful.
JoSCh April 8, 2013 at 07:04 pm
Your logic is about as sound as PETA's stance on breeders. Fight fire with fire I guess...
JoSCh April 8, 2013 at 07:05 pm
Foil hat engaged!
Jono Brunson May 21, 2013 at 01:40 pm
Am i happy this show is highlighting parts of Charleston that i don't particularly think shouldRead More represent the city? No i am not. With that being said, I am happy that producers want to do something in Charleston besides "Honey Boo boo" and "Myrtle Manor". If we cannot highlight the parts of the city that we all think should be represented, id at least rather the nation view the low country as an untouchable crown jewel that they know nothing about.... then "po white trash rednecks." The south has enough publicity of the latter.
Jono Brunson May 21, 2013 at 01:44 pm
wow, if this is how you feel about charleston, i'd hate to hear what you think of South Carolina inRead More general. And just so you know, yes i firmly believe that Bravo folks would love to sit around and watch a show filled with gossip, demeaning people and unmoral trash. Have you ever seen a show on bravo?
JoSCh May 21, 2013 at 03:10 pm
"yes i firmly believe that Bravo folks would love to sit around and watch a show filled withRead More gossip, demeaning people and unmoral trash. Have you ever seen a show on bravo?" lol, well done.
Rough man April 10, 2013 at 05:36 pm
Coming from a Federal Agents point of view...all this was necessary. Here's why...1. The initial inRead More incident was a violation of the law, which, in the state of SC, is high beams to on coming traffic. Lets think about the dangers that occurred by doing so. 2. After running the license plate, the officer was alerted of a stolen plate. Let me remind you that two laws have been broken at this point. 3.After turning on his lights to signal the vehicle to yield, a suspicious activity occurred. The vehicle stopped, passenger door came ajar and less the 5 seconds, the door shut. The fourth offense occurred, evading police and the fifth offense, failure to yield for blue lights, as it's call in SC law. 5 infractions of the laws occurred within a matter of 1 min. I was taught and always preach never put yourself in a predicament where you risk your life, others lives, and/or property. Also, with your judgement, which is always based off experience, never second guess yourself. It could be the matter of life and death. In this case, it truly was, but not on the cop's terms-it was the suspect's terms. To those nay Sayers out there. Don't be judgmental. It could be your property.
JoSCh April 11, 2013 at 06:23 pm
all this was unnecessary. Here's why 1) high beams aren't worth the potential for damage to theRead More innocent public or the cost of two lives, even if they are thieves. 2) a stolen vehicle isn't worth the potential for damage to the innocent public or the cost of two lives, even if they are thieves. 3) being suspicious, evading police and failing to pull over aren't worth the potential for damage to the innocent public or the cost of two lives, even if they are thieves. You say you were taught and always preach never put yourself in a predicament where you risk your life, others lives, and/or property. That is what a high speed chase does, wouldn't you agree? I'd rather have a thief go unpunished for stealing my car than for them to die. I mean, ideally the police would catch them without a high speed chase, and even if they don't I carry insurance and have for decades so I kinda paid for my cars replacement already, but if my only choices are lose my car or someone loses their life, I lose my car. Everytime.
Diana April 16, 2013 at 06:50 pm
Same here :(
Diana March 30, 2013 at 07:07 pm
Nope, they are too darn sweet, they make me sick! I also Do Not like green eggs & ham! :)
Tom Bess March 30, 2013 at 07:57 pm
I prefer abstinence!
Karen April 4, 2013 at 07:50 pm
It's not the taste that turns me off, it's the too-realistic-looking insides--with that big, yellowRead More artificial yolk....that turns me off.
reg March 27, 2013 at 05:21 pm
In other words, it's rather common to remove images that have had negative association, to endRead More connotation between that image/symbol and a nation, and to move on from there. Not every German or member of hte Nazi Party was a jew-killing psychopath, right? But that doesn't mean every Jewish person doesn't have the right to be grossly offended by its display. If the symbol is associated with that part of it, then the symbol should be tabled.
Wounded Warrior March 28, 2013 at 02:43 pm
Tom, I agree. I am offended that hate groups chose this flag as their symbol of what they stand for.Read More Does this also go for the Gadsden Flag? Inappropriate? I personally love our southern history and what Charleston has meant to the history of our country.
JoSCh March 28, 2013 at 07:56 pm
Hate groups didn't randomly choose the Confederate flag WW. What hate group is identified withRead More the Gadsen flag? None that I know of.
reg March 26, 2013 at 06:26 pm
Neigh-eigh-eigh -- I would NOT. I've eaten some strange things before (and really like some of them,Read More too), but I'll leave Mr. Ed away from kitchen.
stanley seigler March 26, 2013 at 10:26 pm
re: Neigh-eigh-eigh my mom could fix 'mr ed' (or silver) so yo would think it was roastRead More beef...growing up, we ate venison cause we couldn't afford beef...and i would give my left whatever for a venison roast today...but cant afford it... just running off at the mouth...not advocating eating horse or mule...and hope my chinese friends and enemies will forgive me for recalling a racist childhood saying: 'china man, china man, eat dead rat dont save none for the po old cat'... we all should be vegetarians...
Tom Durfee March 27, 2013 at 05:26 pm
Here is the first warning to a horse killer from the FDA for falsified EID and the horse wasRead More positive for bute. http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2012/ucm313462.htm Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs - prohibited as well Phenylbutazone, known as "bute," is a veterinary drug only label-approved by the Food & Drug Administration for use by veterinarians in dogs and horses. It has been associated with debilitating conditions in humans and it is absolutely not permitted for use in food-producing animals. USDA/FSIS has conducted a special project to for this drug in selected bovine slaughter plants under federal inspection. An earlier pilot project by FSIS found traces less than 3% of the livestock selected for testing, sufficient cause for this special project. There is no tolerance for this drug in food-producing livestock, and they and their by-products are condemned when it is detected. Dairy producers must not use this drug in food-producing livestock and if it is found, those producers will be subject to FDA investigation and possible prosecution.