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S.C. Democrats Target ALEC, Statehouse Members

Legislators call for others to abandon controversial group, and some are doing so.

S.C. legislators are calling for their co-workers in the state's General Assembly to distance themselves from the American Legislative Exchange Council as national pressure increases on the little-known policy organization. 

The detractors include state Rep. Ted Vick, a Chesterfield Democrat and 7th Congressional District candidate who resigned his membership from ALEC on Tuesday, calling it "part of the problem."

The conservative organization has pushed legislation in statehouses across the country, including the controversial "Stand Your Ground" law that was used as an initial defense in the Florida shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

Through hundreds of legislative members across the county, ALEC has promoted conservative bills like the "Stand Your Ground" laws. Last week, the group bowed to public criticsim and the defection of corporate finances, saying it would stop working on gun laws, as well as other controversial legislation.

In a statement, Vick said he joined ALEC in 2004, but that the group had drifited from its nonpartisan goal of limited, but effective government.

"ALEC has become too partisan and too extreme," he said. "I believe we need more bipartisanship, statesmanship, and less divisive political rhetoric."

On Monday, Rep. Boyd Brown (D-Fairfield) called for his fellow legislators in both parties to abandon their association with ALEC. In a letter, Brown cited ALEC's corporate funding and its influence in crafting legislation.

"Your support for this organization is harmful to your constituents and folks all across the United States," Brown wrote. "And I urge you to withdraw your membership today."

ALEC has been losing more than just members and clout in the past few weeks. Corporate sponsors that have financed the organization are also heading for the door, including McDonald’s, Wendy’s, Mars, Kraft Foods, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo and Procter & Gamble.

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stanley seigler April 25, 2012 at 04:19 pm
re: Brown cited ALEC's corporate funding and its influence in crafting legislation.
a small, welcome ,step in returning control to the people...ie, talking our country back from big business (eg, the koch bros). would be interesting to know how much ALEX/koch "crafting" went into SC voterID law...also of interest: which SC legislators (state/fed) are members of ALEX.
toto April 25, 2012 at 06:30 pm
On September 7, 2007, ALEC’s National Board Members approved a resolution, passed by its members, in support of the current Electoral College system used to elect the President of the United States.
www.alec.org/docs/Electoral_College_PR.pdf ALEC’s First Vice Chairman, State Sen. Steve Faris, said “I am proud ALEC has endorsed this resolution and is committed to oppose all national popular vote legislation." A survey of South Carolina voters showed 71% overall support for the idea that the President of the United States should be the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states. Support was 64% among Republicans, 81% among Democrats, and 68% among others. By gender, support was 81% among women and 59% among men. By age, support was 81% among 18-29 year olds, 71% among 30-45 year olds, 72% among 46-65 year olds, and 63% for those older than 65. In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state. Support for a national popular vote is strong among Rs, Ds, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in every state. Most Americans think it's wrong for the candidate with the most popular votes to lose. We don't allow this in any other election. The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the country.
toto April 25, 2012 at 06:34 pm
With National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. There would no longer be a handful of 'battleground' states where voters and policies are more important than those of the voters in more than 3/4ths of the states, like South Carolina, that now are just 'spectators' and ignored after the primaries.
When the bill is enacted by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes– enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538), all the electoral votes from the enacting states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC. The bill uses the power given to each state by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution to change how they award their electoral votes for President. Historically, virtually all of the major changes in the method of electing the President, including ending the requirement that only men who owned substantial property could vote and 48 current state-by-state winner-take-all laws, have come about by state legislative action. Despite ALEC's opposition and influence, the bill has passed 31 state legislative chambers in 21 small, medium, and large states. The bill has been enacted by 9 jurisdictions possessing 132 electoral votes - 49% of the 270 necessary to go into effect. NationalPopularVote Follow National Popular Vote on Facebook via nationalpopularvoteinc
stanley seigler April 25, 2012 at 06:43 pm
BTW
'Common Cause filed a lawsuit under the Tax Whistleblower Act with the Internal Revenue Service accusing ALEC of violating its status as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit by "massive[ly] underreporting" its lobbying activities. The suit alleges that ALEC exists primarily to give corporate members the ability to "lobby state legislators and to deduct the costs of such efforts as charitable contributions." Non-profits like ALEC can't make lobbying a majority of their activities.'
Janis Smith April 27, 2012 at 01:45 pm
Living in Michigan under ALEC control. Everyone knows by now that ALEC took over a couple cities here and removed all elected officials; but, it's so much more bleak. Over 300+ ALEC "model" laws shoved down our throat in one year alone.
Breaking up ALEC is hard due to them using the republican base for votes; but, there is another BIG concern for all of us. A company called Diebold (large contributor to the Republican party) has been exposed in California. The Voting machines made by Diebold and the software (which NO ONE is allowed to scrutinize) has been fined for failures in the machines security. Did Bush win over Gore? NO, he did NOT. Please see this lengthy video concerning what we are up against using these machines. (Gore's votes were actually counted backwards - negative votes). Diebold got fined and CA pulled the machines out; but, what machines do each state use? Does your state use them? Our votes can be manipulated!! Americans Against Alec Hacking Democracy - Full Length (Voting Machine Fraud EXPOSED) www.youtube.com When you can't control the Politicians or the voters, then you control the counting! Go back to paper votes and we will have a President that was voted in! P...
stanley seigler April 27, 2012 at 02:19 pm
@Jane Smith: "...Over 300+ ALEC "model" laws shoved down our throat...company called Diebold (large contributor to the Republican party) has been exposed in California. The Voting machines made by Diebold and the software (which NO ONE is allowed to scrutinize) has been fined for failures in the machines security."
diff in MI and SC is, MI felt ALEX laws were shoved down their throats...SC legs/citizens bought ALEX/koch bro laws hook, line and sinker... useless voterID laws (written by ALEX/koch b) do nothing to correct real fraud and technical issues...eg, diebold.
stanley seigler May 8, 2012 at 05:38 pm
FYI
"ALEC Gets a Break From State Lobbying Laws...The American Legislative Exchange Council [ALEX] says it's not a lobbying group. Then why have three states [SC, IN, CO] specifically exempted it from their rules for lobbyists? http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/05/alec-lobbyist-exemption How ALEC Ghostwrites the Law...eg, voterID law [CLIP] "These exemptions are just now coming to light. In South Carolina, Democratic Rep. Boyd Brown recently discovered a 2003 state law that exempts ALEC from registering or disclosing its lobbying expenditures. One of the South Carolina bill's sponsors was ALEC member Rep. James Harrison, a Republican from Richland County." james harrison and who else...WHO ARE THE OTHER SPONSERs...and which SC legs are members of ALEX...
stanley seigler May 9, 2012 at 01:37 am
Lawmakers Exempted ALEC in S.C. Lobbying Law
http://www.free-times.com/index.php?cat=1992209084141467&act=post&pid=11862604123541405 [CLIPS] at a legislative workshop for the media, Orangeburg Democratic Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter raised concerns about her colleagues cowing to the whims of ALEC and warned of its deep influence at the State House...Republican and Democratic legislative leaders in South Carolina are “very involved” in ALEC, Cobb-Hunter said. Funded largely by the libertarian Koch brothers, ALEC creates model legislation for state legislatures to adopt, such as Voter ID laws and other controversial bills like the Stand Your Ground self-defense law. It deals with everything from health care to immigration to energy policy. ALEC bills are drawn up on behalf of corporate interests and introduced in states where lawmakers are members. The group holds conferences and treats its lawmaker members to vacations. It has 2,000 legislative members and 300 corporate members, according to a report on the group in The Nation. It is such retreats where ALEC is exempt in the state’s lobbying laws. While other special interest groups would have to extend convention invitations to a discernable group from the Legislative Manual for lawmakers to accept them, ALEC does not -- the group is specifcally exempted by name. “If you’re there (at an ALEC conference) then you don’t have adhere to the group invitation rule,” says State Ethics Commission general counsel.
Donald Bailey May 24, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Gore lost but got rich telling a lie about the climate!
stanley seigler May 31, 2012 at 05:48 pm
UPDATE
Walmart said late Wednesday it is suspending membership in the American Legislative Council (ALEC), which the retailer joined in 1993. FYI [REPEAT] "ALEC Gets a Break From State Lobbying Laws...The American Legislative Exchange Council [ALEX] says it's not a lobbying group. Then why have three states [SC, IN, CO] specifically exempted it from their rules for lobbyists? http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/05/alec-lobbyist-exemption BTW, ALEC Ghostwrote the voterID law...and; as mentioned and asked previously...who are the SC legs that are ALEX members who provided ALEX a break from lobbying laws...perhaps legs should follow walmart's example...

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Katana May 28, 2013 at 11:18 am
Thank you! God Bless America!
JoSCh May 28, 2013 at 05:00 pm
Decoration Day didn't originally honor confederates.Read More http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20090524/PC1602/305249938 Stupid liberal facts again.
stanley seigler May 28, 2013 at 05:16 pm
@PATCH the below sent several time...not posted...reason??? THE BELOW: certainly the feelings NRARead More mentioned arise in all of us...just someone else had published them... today's NRA aint my daddy's NRA...they hide their greedy, profit motivated, gun lobbying behind pseudo patriotism and purposeful mis-interpretation of the constitution...especially the 2nd... a person or organization that advocates for crazies to own WMD (ak47's whatever) which allows them to murder 20 children in minutes is without morals... that said, hope all remembers those who made the ultimate sacrifice for america...regardless whether they believed in a war are not... eg; "'those' who fought because they were ordered to! they were lied to and led to believe there was a threat coming... 'they' were ordered to'..." [5vw] there should be a day dishonering reprehensible actions...to dishonor of those who mis-lead our youth into war... at least mcnamara cried over nam...cheney is still trying justify iraq... memorial day is a time to reflect on the stupidity of war (should be done every day)...in addition to remembering those who gave all...
Brett Rudloff-Schindledecker May 20, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Welcome to our team,Judy! I look forward to getting to know and work with you-Brett ;)
Judy May 22, 2013 at 05:13 am
Brett, Thank you for the kind words. I am loving it! j
JoSCh May 13, 2013 at 03:11 pm
Is it that you don't understand analogy or that you're so addled by whatever propaganda you'reRead More watching that hysterical hyperbole is the only thing that registers.
JoSCh May 13, 2013 at 03:12 pm
Absolutely Gunny. People should be held accountable for their actions, including choosing to own aRead More dog.
Deb Snider June 18, 2013 at 05:50 pm
We owned a Pit Bull named Dugan, raised him from a puppy with our Great Dane Brandy and Dinky ourRead More cat. He was very gentle, loved children and other animals; he never attacked or bit anyone, never showed any aggression. Our children and their friends use to ride him like a small pony and he would play with balloons carrying them in his mouth so gentle so not to break them. Are ALL Pit Bulls trustworthy? No, but I've known several Pit Bull owners and their dogs so I can speak fairly on the subject. We had a female Toy Poodle who would try to bite the vet during every visit. We now have a female Beagle who I do not trust around children because she will bite if there's any food around. I have seen many small breed dogs with bad dispositions. The reason Pit Bulls are in the news so much is because of their strength & damage they are capable of inflicting. If you honestly research dog attacks, you will find there are just as many attacks from other 'bad dog' breeds if not more. A friend of mine has a German Sheppard who I trusted when he was a puppy but now he is full grown I don't dare go near him. He lunged at me and my husband and you could see the look in his eyes change from calm to rage. Cats can be the same way. Don't judge the entire breed based on a few bad dogs. The majority of the time it is due to the way their owners raise them.
JoSCh May 9, 2013 at 04:27 pm
Tired of reading negative comments about conservatives and their hypocrisy on family values andRead More responsibility but not tired of writing negative comments about family values and responsibility? Totally awesome!
stanley seigler May 9, 2013 at 05:21 pm
re: 'I'm [michael large] tired of reading negative comments about conservatives' ME TOO...wishRead More they would do something positive we could read about...BLOCK BO and SAY NO are NOT positives... we need a strong, rational, visionary, GOP...current GOPs are not my daddy's grand old party...
michael large May 10, 2013 at 02:30 am
Sorry guys, tired of playing. I was just refering to all of the posts, a lot of which seemed to beRead More from folks that don't even live in SC. I read a lot of the posts on the Patch and I can't help but wonder if a lot of people commenting with such personal comments might have been picked on or bulied as kids or in high school and now they feel as though they are getting even, behind their computer and keyboard. Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time. But, some folks on here (patch) just seem to be a little, off, politics aside.
JoSCh May 6, 2013 at 01:44 pm
"The student is the only HUMAN BEING supposed to be in the picture." Yearbooks aren'tRead More Vietnam people, there ARE RULES!
Katana May 7, 2013 at 11:51 am
The child is not a prop but thank God that she had the child and did not abort it. She is for life.Read More The unborn are not property to be disposed of because for convenience. Most unborn babies are healthy and NOT a product of rape or incest. Yet it is okay to end their life because the mother does not think they are human.
JoSCh May 7, 2013 at 02:04 pm
You could, and should imo, post "thank God that she had the child and did not abort it."Read More on every patch post about a human that lived... ever.
Ex-Navy May 4, 2013 at 07:42 pm
I'm helping a friend of mine clear land they just bought. Lots of log splitting.
Diana May 4, 2013 at 08:22 pm
LOL 5 War Veteran!! is Stanley still bothering you??
5 War Veteran May 4, 2013 at 09:42 pm
Yep he rides me like his favorite toy, makes all sorts of comments about what he calls conspiraciesRead More and rarely follows the links provided to see the evidence for himself. A true sheeple suffering from cognitive dissonance. Of course he apparently knows everything and the world is greater for it. I am so lucky to have such an admirer. Kind of reminds me of a 13 going on 30 adolescent. Telling dad how to dress. How to think and what to do.
DrJan May 11, 2013 at 03:33 pm
It was a total pleasure and honor to be invited to speak to so many dedicated young women . TheyRead More were all there to receive awards and recognition for complex community service projects they worked on for several months. I am very proud of each and every Girl Scout and all of the adults who mentor them. Theses young women are our future. Girl Scouts offer all girls the opportunity to dream of a better world, a better future and gives them the tools they need to make those dreams come true !!! CONGRATULATIONS TO all of the award winners!! Dr. Jan Sallas Crowe
JoSCh April 25, 2013 at 02:27 pm
No, the prank didn't go too far. That Patch asks if they went too far is clearly going too farRead More though. You should set up a Speak Out post about it. :-|
Diana April 25, 2013 at 07:32 pm
I bet his mother didnt think it was too damn funny! <---- mother of all boys
GunnyHighway April 26, 2013 at 03:24 pm
Well done! Bravo to the pranksters!
Cheryll Woods-Flowers April 24, 2013 at 01:47 pm
I'll tell you what it says...You should be buying if you can! With 3.5% down, a seller can pay yourRead More closing costs. If your credit needs work, there are lenders who can give you advice so that you can be in a position to buy in no time!
SDR April 24, 2013 at 05:14 pm
With the Fed holding down interest rates, the price of housing has stabilized. What happens whenRead More the Fed stops buying bonds? What happens when the current crop of 3% down buyers realize that they are underwater?
5 War Veteran April 24, 2013 at 05:49 pm
Hmmm, It says I am paying too much at $1640.00 a month.
Lee Anderson April 28, 2013 at 01:47 pm
For Elizabeth Colbert-Busch: I sat through the three hour House Oversight Committee Hearing in NorthRead More Charleston when the NLRB sued Boeing. Keeping in mind that the local Vought workers (pre-Boeing) voted *out* the IAM when they were incommunicado once voted in and failed to deliver on multiple promises, do you plan to return any of the campaign contribution you've received from them? If not, why not?
Lady Godiva May 3, 2013 at 12:28 pm
If this were a competition for who is the most morally and ethically unblemished, ECB would win. IfRead More this were an election for who has the best qualifications to help reduce spending and restore this nation fiscally, Sanford would win. Hold your nose and vote for Sanford. The economy our children inherit matters most.
Ajay Jain May 4, 2013 at 07:47 pm
Watch the ONLY debate between Elizabeth Colbert Busch and Mark Sanford and decide who to vote for!Read More https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpPy5u7EszM
KAREN May 3, 2013 at 03:13 pm
You are soooo right! Only this sperm donor knows his motivation (and it sure doesn't appear to beRead More LOVE), but to suddenly have a come-to-Jesus moment and snatch this child from the only home she's known is despicable! I pray the court will realize this too.
justthinking May 6, 2013 at 12:32 pm
This is true. No matter what the courts say. After a father gives up his rights; he should neverRead More be allowed to get the child under any circumstances. It seems to me that he should think more of the child than remove her from the only home she has ever known. He is not good father material as he only thinks of himself. He is no more than a dog.
5 War Veteran June 5, 2013 at 01:05 pm
I would like to know why hgquin's message is not displayed here? "Since Veronica's adoption wasRead More not legally finalized and the birth father was unaware of the adoption. Veronica belongs with the father. Let's hope he is a good father. As a member of the Navajo tribe and being adopted at birth. Childhood was rough. Adopted native kids are treated badly from day 1. You grow up being reminded by famiy members that you were not good enough and not really part of the family. I have my own family and I'm very protective of them and keep them away from my native family members. We are better off that way even though it is sad."
Barneybay April 24, 2013 at 10:01 am
FEMA's National Flood Insurance Program was over $20 billion in debt to the national treasury; theRead More program was conceived as a self-supporting insurance program and it mostly was until Katrina and Rita hurricanes. Efforts to get Congress to forgive the loan from the treasury failed, and the Biggert-Waters Flood Insurance Reform Act of 2012 requires that this debt. This program affects all states, including South Carolina. Please refer to this website for a summary of the contents. http://www.floods.org/ace-files/documentlibrary/2012_NFIP_Reform/2012_NFIP_Reform_Act_ASFPM_Summary_of_Contents.pdf The Government has a monopoly for flood insurance and the Biggert-Waters Act removed subsidized rates and allows rates to increase by 25% per year until actuarial rates are achieved and requires FEMA to update Base Flood Elevations. FEMA says that after spending $30,000 to raise my house it will "only" cost $3,500 per year for Flood Insurance. If I do NOT raise my house the Flood Insurance premium will "only" be $31,500 (not a typo) per year. How are most people going to afford this? Page 2 of the following website shows FEMA’s new insurance costs. Rebuilding After Hurricane Sandy: Building Safer and Stronger Pays Off
Barneybay April 24, 2013 at 10:04 am
website:Read More http://184.72.33.183/Public/Public_Documents/Rebuilding%20After%20Hurricane%20Sandy_Building%20Safer%20and%20Stronger%20Pays%20Off.pdf
JoSCh April 24, 2013 at 05:11 pm
So how are you going to build stronger and more resilient with a more realistic approach? TheRead More maps aren't making people make harsh decisions, the rising flood waters are. You have somewhere to turn if you can't afford to live on the coast; inland. And there is NOTHING wrong with mapmakers making flood maps by only taking flood data into consideration.
Kathy April 17, 2013 at 03:55 pm
I agree with JoSCh, 11 year old's are very capable of causing a lot of harm. But this is a perfectRead More example of what does need to be investigated now not after he does something. At the same time there have probably been signs that have been ignored already. It is better to investigate now then after someone has died.
JoSCh April 17, 2013 at 04:10 pm
That someone like you considers children drawing murder fantasy normal behavior is not the least bitRead More surprising. Violent video games aren't "available to children" anymore than cigarettes are. And nobody has ever been killed by a person armed with a video game. Are you against the glorification of killing for a head to hang on the wall? A medal to wear on your chest?
Justice Prudence April 20, 2013 at 05:37 pm
If the kid is an artist and expressing their art in a macabre way because they're talented - that'sRead More acceptable. If the kid is drawing disturbing pics that possess no artistic whathaveyou's - just disturbing imagery, then perhaps a school counselor and child psychologist should meet with the parents and child to see what's what. If the kid has a history of violence and then draws pics depicting future events or past violent actions, then HELL yes all folks need to be involved and get that little basterd some much needed help! If the kid draws some pics and shows his teacher and the teacher is disturbed, a conversation is absolutely necessary. If the teacher is noseying around some kids' drawing pad and assumes things based upon nothing, then she can either have a conversation with her supervisors/the school counselor and if decided by those educators, then the parents should be involved at that point. Otherwise, let the kid draw and just keep an eye on their activity and the other students.
Ambassador April 12, 2013 at 06:53 pm
Those of you who find this to be a problem should try a commute in NYC, Atlanta, DC, Houston and LA.Read More We have a walk in the park compared to others. Personally, I am retired and really could not care less about your commute. Once you give me back MY Money and stop calling it an Entitlement, maybe I will find some sympathy. Once you give me back this country the way it once was and not this current asylum run by its inmates,maybe I will find some sympathy. Traffic is the least of my problems. Keep building, keep giving into the Beach Company and others who keep building and no amount of roads will ever make a difference. "BUILD AND THEY WILL COME". All those cities mentioned above have been there already and we will just follow their idiocy and greed..
stanley seigler April 12, 2013 at 08:42 pm
re: '...try a commute in NYC, Atlanta, DC, Houston and LA. We have a walk in the park compared toRead More others...' no longer personally affected by commuter traffic either...but not sure SC is a 'walk in the park' compared to say LA...my experience is LA handles traffic better than sville... have no idea what metrics would be comparable...only easily comparable data found, DEATHS PER 100,000: SC 17.47; CA 7.27 for miles traveled, say during rush hours, bet time spent in traffic per capita mile (whatever) is less in LA...know i feel safer driving in LA than sville... ohand...safer driving in blue states... http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/20/15224677-red-state-blue-state-divide-reflected-in-grim-statistic-fatal-traffic-accidents?lite
reg April 12, 2013 at 09:55 pm
It isn't interstate traffic that gets me; it's small road traffic. In a lot of Dorchester County,Read More developers came and built thousands of homes, the county built new schools ---- and they all rely on the same two-lane/two-direction streets that were there before any of that development. Takes me 15 minutes to move less than one mile away from the neighborhood in the morning.
A Blanton April 8, 2013 at 06:32 pm
If PETA succeeds in legislating the responsible legitimate breeders out of business, then onlyRead More irresponsible breeders (for example, puppy mills) will continue breeding, regardless of whether it's lawful.
JoSCh April 8, 2013 at 07:04 pm
Your logic is about as sound as PETA's stance on breeders. Fight fire with fire I guess...
JoSCh April 8, 2013 at 07:05 pm
Foil hat engaged!
Jono Brunson May 21, 2013 at 01:40 pm
Am i happy this show is highlighting parts of Charleston that i don't particularly think shouldRead More represent the city? No i am not. With that being said, I am happy that producers want to do something in Charleston besides "Honey Boo boo" and "Myrtle Manor". If we cannot highlight the parts of the city that we all think should be represented, id at least rather the nation view the low country as an untouchable crown jewel that they know nothing about.... then "po white trash rednecks." The south has enough publicity of the latter.
Jono Brunson May 21, 2013 at 01:44 pm
wow, if this is how you feel about charleston, i'd hate to hear what you think of South Carolina inRead More general. And just so you know, yes i firmly believe that Bravo folks would love to sit around and watch a show filled with gossip, demeaning people and unmoral trash. Have you ever seen a show on bravo?
JoSCh May 21, 2013 at 03:10 pm
"yes i firmly believe that Bravo folks would love to sit around and watch a show filled withRead More gossip, demeaning people and unmoral trash. Have you ever seen a show on bravo?" lol, well done.
Rough man April 10, 2013 at 05:36 pm
Coming from a Federal Agents point of view...all this was necessary. Here's why...1. The initial inRead More incident was a violation of the law, which, in the state of SC, is high beams to on coming traffic. Lets think about the dangers that occurred by doing so. 2. After running the license plate, the officer was alerted of a stolen plate. Let me remind you that two laws have been broken at this point. 3.After turning on his lights to signal the vehicle to yield, a suspicious activity occurred. The vehicle stopped, passenger door came ajar and less the 5 seconds, the door shut. The fourth offense occurred, evading police and the fifth offense, failure to yield for blue lights, as it's call in SC law. 5 infractions of the laws occurred within a matter of 1 min. I was taught and always preach never put yourself in a predicament where you risk your life, others lives, and/or property. Also, with your judgement, which is always based off experience, never second guess yourself. It could be the matter of life and death. In this case, it truly was, but not on the cop's terms-it was the suspect's terms. To those nay Sayers out there. Don't be judgmental. It could be your property.
JoSCh April 11, 2013 at 06:23 pm
all this was unnecessary. Here's why 1) high beams aren't worth the potential for damage to theRead More innocent public or the cost of two lives, even if they are thieves. 2) a stolen vehicle isn't worth the potential for damage to the innocent public or the cost of two lives, even if they are thieves. 3) being suspicious, evading police and failing to pull over aren't worth the potential for damage to the innocent public or the cost of two lives, even if they are thieves. You say you were taught and always preach never put yourself in a predicament where you risk your life, others lives, and/or property. That is what a high speed chase does, wouldn't you agree? I'd rather have a thief go unpunished for stealing my car than for them to die. I mean, ideally the police would catch them without a high speed chase, and even if they don't I carry insurance and have for decades so I kinda paid for my cars replacement already, but if my only choices are lose my car or someone loses their life, I lose my car. Everytime.
Diana April 16, 2013 at 06:50 pm
Same here :(
Diana March 30, 2013 at 07:07 pm
Nope, they are too darn sweet, they make me sick! I also Do Not like green eggs & ham! :)
Tom Bess March 30, 2013 at 07:57 pm
I prefer abstinence!
Karen April 4, 2013 at 07:50 pm
It's not the taste that turns me off, it's the too-realistic-looking insides--with that big, yellowRead More artificial yolk....that turns me off.
reg March 27, 2013 at 05:21 pm
In other words, it's rather common to remove images that have had negative association, to endRead More connotation between that image/symbol and a nation, and to move on from there. Not every German or member of hte Nazi Party was a jew-killing psychopath, right? But that doesn't mean every Jewish person doesn't have the right to be grossly offended by its display. If the symbol is associated with that part of it, then the symbol should be tabled.
Wounded Warrior March 28, 2013 at 02:43 pm
Tom, I agree. I am offended that hate groups chose this flag as their symbol of what they stand for.Read More Does this also go for the Gadsden Flag? Inappropriate? I personally love our southern history and what Charleston has meant to the history of our country.
JoSCh March 28, 2013 at 07:56 pm
Hate groups didn't randomly choose the Confederate flag WW. What hate group is identified withRead More the Gadsen flag? None that I know of.
reg March 26, 2013 at 06:26 pm
Neigh-eigh-eigh -- I would NOT. I've eaten some strange things before (and really like some of them,Read More too), but I'll leave Mr. Ed away from kitchen.
stanley seigler March 26, 2013 at 10:26 pm
re: Neigh-eigh-eigh my mom could fix 'mr ed' (or silver) so yo would think it was roastRead More beef...growing up, we ate venison cause we couldn't afford beef...and i would give my left whatever for a venison roast today...but cant afford it... just running off at the mouth...not advocating eating horse or mule...and hope my chinese friends and enemies will forgive me for recalling a racist childhood saying: 'china man, china man, eat dead rat dont save none for the po old cat'... we all should be vegetarians...
Tom Durfee March 27, 2013 at 05:26 pm
Here is the first warning to a horse killer from the FDA for falsified EID and the horse wasRead More positive for bute. http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2012/ucm313462.htm Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs - prohibited as well Phenylbutazone, known as "bute," is a veterinary drug only label-approved by the Food & Drug Administration for use by veterinarians in dogs and horses. It has been associated with debilitating conditions in humans and it is absolutely not permitted for use in food-producing animals. USDA/FSIS has conducted a special project to for this drug in selected bovine slaughter plants under federal inspection. An earlier pilot project by FSIS found traces less than 3% of the livestock selected for testing, sufficient cause for this special project. There is no tolerance for this drug in food-producing livestock, and they and their by-products are condemned when it is detected. Dairy producers must not use this drug in food-producing livestock and if it is found, those producers will be subject to FDA investigation and possible prosecution.